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Priest punished for Mass with woman priest

2012-12-06 11:05

Chicago - A 92-year-old Wisconsin Jesuit has become the latest Catholic priest to be punished by church authorities for celebrating Mass with a woman priest in violation of church rules, a Jesuit spokesperson said on Wednesday.

Father Bill Brennan, a Milwaukee-area peace activist who has done missionary work in Central America, celebrated Mass last month in Georgia with Janice Sevre-Duszynska of the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests.

Though Brennan remains a Jesuit and can still celebrate Mass and hear confessions with other Jesuits, he can no longer celebrate Mass or other sacraments publicly, according to Jeremy Langford, spokesperson for the Society of Jesus, known as the Jesuits.

Women are forbidden by the church to become priests, but some have been ordained and celebrate Mass outside of the official church. Pope Benedict XVI reaffirmed the church's ban on women priests this year.

Catholic clergy who support the women can face sanctions. The Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith dismissed Roy Bourgeois, aged 74, from the priesthood in October, citing his participation in the 2008 "invalid" ordination of Sevre-Duszynska and in a "simulated Mass", according to the Catholic News Service.

The Archdiocese of Milwaukee and the Wisconsin Province of the Jesuits mutually agreed on the sanctions against Brennan, Langford said.

Trust in conscience


"The Province did not approve or sanction the event, and regrets Father Brennan's participation in it," the Province said in a statement.

Langford said that the Wisconsin Province had no plans to take any further action against Brennan, who is retired from active ministry and living in a Wisconsin retirement home and was not available for comment.

"Sometimes in our lives we have to trust our conscience and bring about the consequences," Brennan told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "I wasn't trying to show off for the ladies."

Sevre-Duszynska said Brennan exemplifies the best of the Jesuit tradition, including that he "is able to understand the suffering of women who are called to the priesthood and are denied the priesthood by the church and by the hierarchy".

"I think this is a bullying tactic. And I think it's shameful. It certainly is not what Jesus would do," she said of the sanctions against Brennan.

Brennan worked as a missionary in Belize and Honduras for 16 years and then returned to the United States as a teacher at Jesuit-run Marquette University High School and as pastor at St Patrick Church in Milwaukee, according to a 2007 Catholic News Service article.

Five years ago, at 87, Brennan travelled to Cuba as an act of civil disobedience against the US economic blockade, delivering humanitarian and medical supplies to the Cuban people, the article said.

Comments
  • michangel.justice - 2012-12-06 11:19

    This is good news. Woman dont know their place anymore, let men do what they do, women do what they must do and let God do His work. Let us not accept the wicked ways of the world.

      Jeremy - 2012-12-06 11:39

      If God turns a blind eye to this bulls***t, then he really doesn't exist! Surely by the year 2012, women should be viewed in every country and every religion as equal to me? It's no wonder there are so many incidents involving Cathloic priests and little boys, considering their church's refusal to allow them to do what comes naturally!

      Jeremy - 2012-12-06 11:40

      Sorry, typo. I meant "equal to men" not "me"

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 11:56

      @jeremy. Why do so many liberals like you always start with something like '...by the year 2012'? Why the assumption that things have to change, because it is 2012 or whatever? Why MUST things change, even though maybe they were right to start with. And then there is your confused rationale. This is about the ordination of women as priests, yet you confuse it with the argument for and against allowing Priests to marry. Surely even you can see these are two separate issues? Keep to the point, man!

      carina.welman - 2012-12-06 12:11

      @ michangel.justice In what century do you live you sod??? This is not the stone age or even more recent, the dark ages. People like you need to be locked up and the key has to be thrown away. Go drown yourself somewhere.

      carina.welman - 2012-12-06 12:14

      gwilym... It is because we've evolved. Clearly you do not understand this so please go back to your little dungeon and go play with your dragons.

      Jeremy - 2012-12-06 12:44

      gwilym, looks like you're outvoted on this one. As carina says, we evolve - or at least most of us do...obviously you're still stuck in the dark ages!

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 12:58

      @Jeremy & Carina. Refusal to change displays ignorance. Assuming that ALL change is good or necessary is just as foolish. True wisom is knowing what needs to change and what does not. Luckily for us Catholics, we of the true faith can rest easy in the knowledge that WE are the oldest and biggest Christian Church in the World, and we are led by stable leadership that does not bend to every fashion of whim. IF u have a Bible, look up the verses that deal with a house built on rock vs. sand, and also 'a reed in the wind'.

      Hamrammr - 2012-12-06 13:24

      True faith Gwilym? Are you aware that your "true faith" is heavily influenced by Paganism? Ask me as I'm a Germanic Pagan. Christian holidays and traditions, especially the Roman Catholic ones, are all based on ancient Pagan festivals and traditions. From Christmas and the Christmas tree right through to Easter and the Easter bunny.

      michangel.justice - 2012-12-06 13:25

      If men and women are equal then none of you are bible reading Christians, and the wicked ways of the world has engulfed you, because you live by a man made constitution, bills of rights, etc etc etc. And for our wicked ways we must all repent our sins and accept Jesus Christ as our personal saviour and turn away from our wicked ways. MEN MUST TAKE UP THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS WORLD AGAIN AND STOP ACTING AND/OR BE LIKE PUPPETS THATS BEEN CONTROLLED BY THE WICKED WAYS OF SOME WOMEN. THAT PRIEST DESERVED THE PUNISHMENT FOR HIS REBELLION WAYS.

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 13:34

      @hamrammr: Yes, I am a fundamentalist Christian, and proudly so. I think the worst thing the Catholic Church ever did (see, change IS bad!) was to get rid of the Holy Inquisition. I reckon you would make a great canditate for their bonfire, being a self-confessed pagan. And what is this nonsense of yours about my being forgiven on Sunday for my comments? As I said to Carina, what is wrong with anything I am saying? I am explaining to a pagan and a heretic that their wordly ways are not the ways of the true church. I have also said elesewhere that we don't care if you choose to live outside of God's Grace, we are just happy to know and adhere to the true Church's teachings. May you find the way too one day...

      Moi - 2012-12-06 14:21

      Why shouldn't a woman be allowed to preach God's word? Is she any less knowlegeable than a man? Why would a man make a better priest than a woman?

      john.silver.3572846 - 2012-12-06 14:30

      Gwilym - do those voices in your head hurt much?

      Desilusionada - 2012-12-06 14:51

      I do not as a rule become real abusive on these forums, but when a total, perfectly round @r$eole like this makes a comment one should be pardoned for losing it a bit. You Mr. michangel.justice is an absolute tw@t with the reasoning abilities of solid putty in a sh!h0use window....

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 15:36

      @Moi: She can preach all she likes, but she cannot celebrate the sacriments in a Catholic Church. If she does, she, that church, and those who are attending are fake, and she is just pretending.

      polya314 - 2012-12-07 08:55

      I'm pretty sure that these two are trolls. If they are real people who hold these opinions then I'm genuinely fearful for the future.

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-07 10:48

      @Polya: Then you had best be fearful on my acount at least. What makes ME fearful is the number of people i see here that support the easy way. No sticking to values or rules: just do whatever is easy and comfortable. That is why so many people who want to call themselves by the name 'Christian' join the false modern 'churches' as heretics. These allow them to divorce, practice abortion (murder; infanticide)etc. But on the bright side, that is why the Ctholic Church is still by far the biggest Christian Church - because actually, the people that count, the majority, want rules and high standards to aspire to.

      Moi - 2012-12-07 12:09

      "she cannot celebrate the sacriments in a Catholic Church." Why not?

      robert.cerff - 2012-12-07 15:34

      @Jeremy Thorpe: "God turns a blind eye to this bulls***t, then he really doesn't exist!" Well done... fact is the Bible prohibits women from leading things like this. Those that are doing so are in direct violation of the "good teachings" of that hateful book. Honestly I still wonder why women subject themselves to this pile of steaming...

      robert.cerff - 2012-12-07 15:38

      @Carina Welman: "In what century do you live you sod?" Pointless question. Those that choose to subscribe to a code of practice written so far in the past actually don't get to ask that question (I'm not aiming this at you). If you want to follow the Bible, then you should stick to its teachings, not pick what you want and ignore the rest. What century, doesn't matter... pick a more modern lifestyle or stick to the rules as they have been dictated. Honestly, why does this bother anyone? This is on par with walking into a casino when you know that gambling/drinking/loud sounds offend you.

  • huck.starr - 2012-12-06 11:21

    CATHOLICS!!!!!!!!!!!!! uGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT TRUE CHRISTIANS. THE ONLY TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE THE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS. AND THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE BOBLE SAYS ABOUT WOMEN PREACHING IT IS WRONG.

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 11:38

      You are an idiot! Not true Christians? Catholics have been there from the begionning. If we are not true Christians, then what must one say about all the man-made 'Christian' 'religions' that only sprang up in the last 400 or 500 years, as one or another arrogant heretic invented them? An that is not to mention all the 'Johnny Come Lately' sects, cults and 'worship centres' that arose in the lst 50 years to spew more heresies left and right. Get your history right before you opine about who are true Christians, fool!

      renier.myburgh - 2012-12-06 11:40

      Which boble is that? The spungeboble?

      Mark - 2012-12-06 13:21

      The Bush Baptists from Salem in the Eastern Cape rule! lol Religion is the opium of the people.

      Desilusionada - 2012-12-06 14:53

      Copy of previous comment with new name. I do not as a rule become real abusive on these forums, but when a total, perfectly round @r$eole like this makes a comment one should be pardoned for losing it a bit. You Mr. HUCK_STARR is an absolute tw@t with the reasoning abilities of solid putty in a sh!h0use window....

  • gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 11:42

    What she underwent is not and cannot be ordination in the Catholic Church, because she is not allowed to be ordained. If she is not a Priest, then what she practices is not and cannot be the Mass. In fact, she is just a pathetic, delusional soul who playing pretend. She is no different to a child pretending to be a policeman or fireman.

      carina.welman - 2012-12-06 12:29

      Gwilym.. and you call yourself Christian???

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 13:05

      @Carina. Now how exactly does this make me NOT a Christian? All I am doing is stating the obvious: The Catholic Church does NOT accept the ordination of women. I am not hateful to this woman: I am simply stating that she is NOT a Priest, has NOT undergone Ordination, and that which she does is NOT the Mass. I hope she finds happiness and acceptance in one of the heretic sects that abound, but do point out that in the context of the Catholic Church, what she does is fake and no diffeent from a pig believing it is an eagle. Just because he thinks he can fly does not mean he can!

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 13:10

      @kensong: Where does one start? Your comment is so garbled it makes no sense. Try again. Get someone to help you that can write. And then: if you want to say something against me, can't you at least use your own words? Is copying my text and adding my name the best you can do? What an ignoramus you are! Why do you use my surname as though it was my first name? Have you NO understanding at all? PLEASE tell me you are unemployed: I can't bear to think that someone actually PAYS someone with your absent abilities! A favour PLEASE: Tell me, what on earth are 'xthians'?

      Hamrammr - 2012-12-06 13:19

      Gwilym is the poster boy of the type that opened my eyes to the lie that is Christianity. Rude, obnoxious, opinionated and sexist, I bet he goes to church on Sundays to rid him of the weeks' sins only to continue sinning on Monday. Don't worry Gwilym if you are sorry about your remarks on this article you could just blame the devil for it, that way you are cleared of any responsibility. O wait, silly me! I forgot that some dude paid for your sins with his blood, so why still bother with going to church on Sundays?

  • dkallend - 2012-12-06 11:50

    Apparently catholic priests takes pills to suppress their sexual desires but clearly they not taking it just ask the little boys!

  • stephen.j.dickson.3 - 2012-12-06 11:56

    The Catholic Church is but oh so Dark Ages..........bottom line.

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 13:16

      Interestingly Stephen, the Catholic Church is still the largest Christian Church in the world - by far! Maybe there are a lot of people - the majority in fact - that find adherence to tried and tested ways the best way. And that includes the women in the Church. If not, why are they all there? We don't want you to follow us. We don't care if you do. But if you are looking for the ORIGINAL Church, we are always there, like we have been for 2000 years!

  • 286ADC8D - 2012-12-06 12:06

    Kinky! Glad u can stil get it up at that age!

  • Hamrammr - 2012-12-06 12:13

    This is the reason why the Christian religion in it's entirety should be outlawed! The Roman Catholic church fought against Apartheid, yet they themselves discriminate against women. It does not matter if you discriminate against gender or race, it stays the same. The church and the religion that it represents have no more relevence in modern times.

      carina.welman - 2012-12-06 12:32

      Please note that the Catholic church does NOT represent the whole Christian religion.

      Hamrammr - 2012-12-06 12:49

      I am very aware of that being a ex-Christian myself, but the Christian religion as a whole caused more wars, family feuds and sorrow than any other organization in the history of this planet.

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 13:19

      @Carina. Actually, along with the Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches, it DOES. The rest of the 'late arrival' churches that call themselves Christian are acttually man-made sects and cults that perpetrate heresies and are NOT truly Christian. But we do feel sorry for their sheep, and pray that they wil return to the one true church...

      Hamrammr - 2012-12-06 13:36

      Gwilym and which religion dominated before the Roman Catholic church was founded? The Roman Catholic religion started as a result of West European Paganism being mixed with the Abrahamic religions of the East. The only true religions for people of European descent is Paganism as it is the only religions that is of true European origin.

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 15:56

      I agree that paganism preceded Christianity. That is an historical fact. We Christians consider that Christ came to lead men out or darkness to God. But sorry, I do not see where you get this 'fact' that the Roman Catholic religion started as a result of West European Paganism being mixed with the Abrahamic religions of the East. The Catholic Church was the formalisation and consolidation of the early Christians, including Peter, Christ's disciple, who was the first Bishop of Rome, i.e. Pope. One of your earlier comments gives me a clue to why you say that paganism is mixed in there somewhere. You were correct in saying that some of the early pagan festivals were co-opted to become Christian festivals. A good example is Christmas which took over from Bachanalia. But here is the catch. Yes, they used the date, but that does not mean they incorporated the pagan elements. It is a fully Christian festival which for expediency is now held on what was once Bachanalia. And yes, some of the old traditions stuck, like the Chruistmas tree, but that is incidental and limited to tradition and the commercial sector. You will not find those symbols in a Catholic Church. You'll have to look for Christmas trees in shopping centres and the like. (Can't speak about these other wannabe Christian late arrival sects thoigh).

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-06 15:58

      Do you realise we have a modern day example of exactly this happening again right here in SA? Yes, it is what was the Day of the Covenant. It was once a day when people celebrated the victory of the Boers over the Zulus. We have kept the date, but changed the name and the intention. Some diehards are still celebrating the Covenant on that day, buit that does not mean that the day has not changed. Just so paganism has given way to Christianity, although some festivals occur on the same or similar dates, and some old symbols have stuck around.

  • klebepe - 2012-12-06 13:32

    This conversation makes,christianity look like a terrible religion. Something satanic that spreads hate and intolerance. Nothing like what Mother Teresa or Desmond Tutu represent. The catholics make their church look like a breeding ground for monsters.

  • Moi - 2012-12-07 11:11

    "she cannot celebrate the sacriments in a Catholic Church." Why not?

      gwilym.howes - 2012-12-08 12:25

      @Moi: I can't believe you are asking this question in sincerity: "she cannot celebrate the sacriments in a Catholic Church - Why not?". But just in case... She cannot celebrate the Sacriments in a Catholic Church because only a Priest can. The Catholic Church has many rules. One is that a woman cannot become a priest. She is a woman, and therefore cannot become a priest, and it follows then that she cannot celebrate any of the Sacriments. To 'celebrate' the Sacriments means to 'lead' or 'perform' the Sacriments (as a Priest). If she is a communicant Catholic (i.e Baptised, Confirmed and not excommunicated (cut off; banned)) she may certainly TAKE PART in the Sacriments as a member of the Congregation, but she cannot CELEBRATE (lead) them. Since she is masquerading as a 'priest' it is quite possible that she HAS been excommunicated, or soon will be, in which case she will no longer be free to take any part in a Cathonlic ceremony. Possibly the aberrant Priests who 'ordainedd' her and concelebrate with her may also be excommunicated. Let us hope so.

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