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Rape pregnancy God's intention: Republican

2012-10-24 08:10

Indianapolis - Richard Mourdock, the Republican candidate for the US Senate in Indiana, said in a debate on Tuesday that "even when life begins with that horrible situation of rape, that is something that God intended to happen".

The remark drew criticism from his Democratic opponent, congressman Joe Donnelly, as well as from Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's camp - even as Mourdock defended his words.

During the debate in New Albany, Indiana, Mourdock, Donnelly and Libertarian candidate Andrew Horning were asked about their views on abortion.

"The only exception I have to have an abortion is in that case of the life of the mother," Mourdock said. "I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realise that life is that gift from God and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape that it is something God intended to happen."

Mourdock, the state treasurer who is a favourite of the conservative Tea Party movement, ousted longtime Senator Richard Lugar in the Republican primary earlier this year. He is locked in a tight race with Donnelly ahead of the 6 November election.

Democratic National Committee Chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz called Mourdock's comments "outrageous and demeaning to women".

Romney distances himself

Donnelly said that rape "is a heinous and violent crime in every instance".

"The God I believe in and the God I know most Hoosiers believe in, does not intend for rape to happen - ever," Donnelly said in a statement after the debate, using the nickname for Indiana residents. "What Mr Mourdock said is shocking, and it is stunning that he would be so disrespectful to survivors of rape."

Romney, who on Monday launched statewide ads endorsing Mourdock, distanced himself on Tuesday from the remark by his fellow Republican. "Governor Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock's comments, and they do not reflect his views," said Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul.

Republicans need a net gain of four seats to gain control of the US Senate from the Democrats, or three if Romney wins the White House. Republicans began 2012 in a strong position, but have suffered some self-inflicted wounds.

In Missouri, Republican Senate candidate Todd Akin prompted an uproar by saying women's bodies have defences against pregnancy after "legitimate rape", and now trails in his race.

Mourdock issued a statement after the debate that said: "God creates life, and that was my point. God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that He does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick."

A September Howey-DePauw poll put Donnelly up by 2 percentage points over Mourdock, 40 to 38%, with 7% for Horning.

Comments
  • helizna - 2012-10-24 08:25

    SMH

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-10-24 09:39

      Christianity is not a religion of progress, nor is it a religion of open-mindedness. It does not tolerate, nor appreciate free inquiry. It condemns it outright (I Timothy 6:20-21). It sets up the classic clergy-laity system by setting up few as teachers (See James 3:1) and the rest as dumbbells, members who sit like garden nomes and take in what their spiritual leaders tell them. Like the ancient mystery cults, which were so common in New Testament times and before, Christianity claims infallibility and thereby vilifies everyone and every school of thought to disagree with it… “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.” (I Cor. 16:22) “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 1:10-11)

      ron.rielander - 2012-10-24 09:48

      The issue here is not the rape but the creation of life, Everyone immediately jumps to rape...that is not what he is saying...He is using rape as a situation for the creation of life... there are also many more situations for the same thing that would also not be wise to say to public...he should know that the public will take it up the wrong way,.. so best just shut up.

      rbphiri - 2012-10-24 16:37

      Republicans are f* stupid.

  • kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-24 08:27

    So when a murderer kills someone God planned it so why does he support the courts and death penalty. Stupid f**kwit!

      spartanx93 - 2012-10-24 10:40

      Let Richard Mourdock have his wife raped and see how he feels after God's "gracious" intentions.....

      denise.herbst.5 - 2012-10-24 12:11

      spartanx93 - WTF did Richard Mourdocks poor wife have to do with it?? Seriously dude - your comment is as bad as his!

      robert.cerff - 2012-10-24 12:39

      @spartanx93 you obviously don't understand: Creation of life is one point. Rape is another.

      riette.nothling - 2012-10-24 13:12

      @ Develyn, I think his point is that these politicians have all these wonderful / stupid things to say just as long as it happens to someone else, but when it hits close to home then it's tirades and threats. Telling me that if you get raped and get pregnant that's God's will, I will slap you so hard it's not even funny!

      sean.murphy.165 - 2012-10-24 15:34

      Agree Kevin. These religios nuts believe everything happens according to their gods plan, until it is something they don't like. He believes the rape was part of gods plan but then maybe the abortion is too.

  • adrian.tyler - 2012-10-24 08:30

    He's right, in that context. If everything is up to god or meant to happen then why wouldn't a baby being born from a rape situation be his doing as well? P.S I'm prepared for the illogical comments.

      adrian.tyler - 2012-10-24 08:32

      Unless the devil also has the power to create a human? Haha.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-10-24 08:49

      I have seen this excuse used quite often. If you are not willing to take the consequences of your actions, blame it on God. Remember, you bear the responsibility of every decision you make.Don't just see the pregnancy as the full story.Before that it was decided to wander the streets, to look for a woman, to climb into the room, to undress her, to tie her hands or to threaten her with a knife or gun, to rape her. The pregnancy is a consequence of, and not the intention of the rape.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 08:49

      @andrew.r.slaughter : which he obviously does not...

      adrian.tyler - 2012-10-24 08:50

      Which is what I believe, Andrew.

      JacoSwart1973 - 2012-10-24 08:59

      God gave people the means to spawn children. This means that even you can create children. This does not mean God is involved in the creation of every child or plans it. It only means that when stupid people make stupid decisions, God is powerful enough to turn that stupid decisions, from whence a baby is created, into something beautiful. He will then give purpose to the baby's life. Sin does not originate from God. Sin originates from mankind's inability to make the correct choices. God does not plan for circumstances, we are not puppets. God are in the circumstances created by man. We have a choice in all things. It is in this choice, that God WILL find glory every time. Especially in our poor choices, because then He can change the outcome to display his love and glory

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:03

      Cool, so if I rape someone, my best defense in court would be that God told me to do it. Yeah, who can argue with THAT.

      RodinsThinker - 2012-10-24 09:57

      Hugh, just make sure your case goes before Mogoeng Mogoeng - he'll understand!

      merven.halo - 2012-10-24 10:51

      Well, the Bible does say that nothing happens without God's will, not even a hair will fall from your head!

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 11:10

      @merven.halo - yes, and your bible says that snakes can talk, people lived for hundreds of years, the created earth is 6000 years old, prayer can move mountains, need I go on? The bible is not a source of relevancy in any sphere. So lease excuse rationalists like myself if we find your superstitious naievety both humorous and decidedly unintelligent.

      riette.nothling - 2012-10-24 13:15

      Yeah, and what will happen to that little baby? You think I will love the child of a man who forced himself on me? Point is, a man can never understand the violation of rape, even more so when you discover that you are pregnant, then being told you can't get an abortion because it's "God's will"? No really, your comment is not fair towards women, especially women who have had to go through something like this!

      lindela.e.mtshali - 2012-10-24 17:11

      The bible does not say the earth is 6000 years old. God is the originator of everything. He created all of the physical universe. He did not do create the earth 6000 years ago. Read some science books you will know that it's billions of years old. God is the chief scientist. He gave all of the atheists the free will and intelligence that they use to insult Him. He created man in His image. You cannot see all the things that exist. I have never seen oxygen, but I know that if it runs out where I am I will die in no time. Human law says a human being's life begins at birth, but God sees life from conception. I believe people should have a choice on their method of contraception. One prominent scientist remarked after observing the order that exists in the universe, that if God does not exist, we will have to invent one. The laws created by God enable man to calculate with precision things far away in the universe, and send spacecraft and land it in Mars. Insult God at your peril. Even Satan, who has met God, knows the boundaries!

      johann.vanwyk.35 - 2012-10-25 14:53

      @Lindela. "To me, it was obvious man created God in his own image. Man hasn't the imagination to come up with a God totally unlike him." – Steve Toltz

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-10-24 08:30

    Typical hillbilly mindset.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:04

      Trailer park trash at it's finest.

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 08:34

    Just remember that if your wife gets raped and murdered one day, you should go and shake the hand of the man who did so for surely he is a God-sent? The republicans are a dangerous fundamental Christian cult.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 08:51

      Who want to put a fundamentalist eschatologist in control of the nuclear arsenal. 'yes lord, yes lord, i will push the red button lord, hallelujah end times lord...'

  • evmrrs - 2012-10-24 08:35

    He's just being consistent. If you accept that God is omnipotent and omniscient, then you have to accept that pregnancy from rape is God's will. I wonder if he would also be prepared to accept that 9/11 was God's will. That every act of terrorism is God's will. That natural catastrophes like Katrina are God's will. That the proliferation of gay and lesbian rights is God's will. That every thing that happens is, by his own definition, God's will, whether it is something that he approves of or not. Somehow I doubt he would be willing to extend his religious consistency that far, which leaves him in the invidious and indefensible position of having to decide for himself which things that happen are God's will and which ones aren't. Since he can't do that either, because by the dictates of his own doctrine God's purpose is unknowable, he should just shut up and sit down. Once you abdicate everything to God, there is no point continuing to express an opinion on any subject.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:08

      Perhaps if he was raped by the wide end of a porcupine he'd struggle with the concept that it was Gods will, and actually shut up. But since he's a redneck, most likely a bigot, racist and sexist, until it happens to him personally he'll say it's all thanks to Gods divinity - after all "he moves in mysterious ways".

      wordis.word.1 - 2012-10-24 13:29

      Oh but evmrrs, the religious are masters of making up what the will of God is. What books he wrote, who his son was, who he sends to hell and who he allows into heaven. Suspiciously, the will of god always seems to align with their own political agendas or religious beliefs.

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-10-24 08:36

    I don't agree at all with this stupid statement. However, I do believe that God puts you to a choice if a pregnancy occurs from this horrible crime of rape ... a sin. He wants you to make the right decision that will influence the rest of your life.

      henry.vanderburpenfart - 2012-10-24 08:53

      A few questions for you Jurgen: Did your God create everything, including heaven and hell?

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 08:56

      What a sick excuse for a god you peole have, he puts you in a horrific situation and then you have to have the wisdom to make the right desicion. Quite sadistic and petulant. Just shows how 'god' is nothing more than the constructed manifestation of the lust for power and disregard for humanity inherent in the peddlars and fabricators of these utter lies.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:10

      I believe he gave women "free will" (or was that only for men - is God a sexist?), so in that sense, abortion is Gods will too.

      henry.vanderburpenfart - 2012-10-24 09:23

      If the answer is "Yes" - which it obviously is, then next question: Did this same god create the rules which govern which of the two that you go to?

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-10-24 09:28

      - OUR God created everything including heaven and as a consequence of sin, hell too. - God does not put you in that situation ... the idiot that went against God (sinful action) to sooth his own lust by raping a woman puts you in that situation. God is always FOR life as death is a consequence of MAN's sin. Ultimately the choice is yours. - God allows us to make choices in life (free will). It's up to us if we make wrong (self centered/selfish) choices or right (God centered) choices.

      henry.vanderburpenfart - 2012-10-24 09:35

      Yes Jurgen. Your god gave us free will and then drowned everyone in a flood for not acting how he wanted us to. Next question: Is there anything that does not happen according to your god's divine and all-knowing plan?

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:39

      Jurgen, I think you need to look up the definition of the term "Free will". If you give someone free will you can't punish them for their decisions. If God is pro life, why does he choose to abort babies - ie: Miscarriages? I don't see God being very "pro-life" there, buddy.

      caroza.b - 2012-10-24 09:49

      Crap. God approves of rape, which is why the Republicans are having trouble marrying their totally repellent religious nonsense to a supposedly democratic platform. I'm sick and tired of these weak and evasive arguments that god "didn't intend it" and it's all down to our bad choices. This, I assume, would be the same god who rules that a rape victim has to marry her rapist (if he can afford to pay the fine to her father, of course - Deut 22:28). Because the victim in this mentality isn't the woman, it's the man whose property she is and who no longer has a virgin to peddle. And how is she supposed to exercise her free will? Mass rape of the Midianites was also cool, as was killing all their menfolk and male children, and so is handing a "concubine" over to a gang of drunk men to be gang-raped to death. Again, where's the woman's free will in this? "Thou shalt not rape" is, as we feminists like to say, conspicuous by its absence from the Ten Commandments. Sorry, but the god of the OT is a raving misogynistic psycho whom no sensible or humane person should have anything to do with. If you want to use the NT "new covenant" excuse to get out of jail free, then you bin *all* the bronze age strictures in the OT, not just the ones which suit you. That means shut up about homosexuality and the notion that women are just baby machines for a start.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-10-24 12:19

      @henry.vanderburpenfart , As for the Flood, God assured that humanity continued and saved it from itself. Just imagine how bad it had to get before God would take such a drastic step. There is a plan ... you can follow it by reading the Bible. @Hugh_Influence, miscarriages occur for a variety of reasons. Most of the time its genetic faults that leads to it because of the degenerated state of human genetics compared to how it was in the beginning of creation. God does not abort babies. @caroza.b, when the daughter has to marry the rapist in that context God made provision for the daughter to be taken care of by the new husband. And believe me nobody in that community would allow the new husband to mistreat his new wife. In those times people did not marry because of our notion of butterflies and rainbow "love" that our culture promote. As for the wars, those tribes were a direct threat to the Israelites both physically and spiritually with their false gods aka rebellion against God. He thus made the way and protected the Israelites, in retrospect, for Jesus to come forth a few centuries later. Many of the answers to these topics are pretty logical if you just let go of your HATE for God, which is clearly visible on these forums all the time. Time and time again, in the Bible also, He makes good from bad situations and events. Enjoy!!

      wordis.word.1 - 2012-10-24 12:55

      Nice try henry, but he'll never understand, and if he does understand he'll just deny it. Or construct some intricate, self contradicting, rationalization.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 13:05

      @jurgen.eksteen : What a tangled web we weave when we talk bollocks.

      hjkavdkah - 2012-10-24 13:31

      Jurgen, Very simple explanation to these GODLESS idiots - God created man and man created ""Equation"" Commonsense......!!!!

      wordis.word.1 - 2012-10-24 13:48

      hjkavdkah, your simple explanation unfortunately makes no sense at all, try again. Man and the universe are a product of something amazing, but I am 100% certain that something is not the imaginary caricature described in the bible.

      caroza.b - 2012-10-24 13:58

      @hjkavdkah: "Jurgen, Very simple explanation to these GODLESS idiots - God created man and man created ""Equation"" " (sic) Old boys club still going strong, right? Thank heavens us women are off the hook for being created by this brute. Try: "abiogenesis created organic molecule" for size instead - the evidence is much better. Jurgen, no, I don't hate god, because he doesn't exist. I hate people who use this horrible bronze age stuff to justify suffering and discrimination, and I especially hate people like the Rape-uglicans who try to drag it into public policy and force other people to live as though it made any sense whatsoever. That's why separation of church and state is so important, and that's what they're trying to overturn. No, OT rules did not benefit women. Women were chattel (same linguistic root as cattle). This is extremely clear in Ex 20:17 (thou shalt not covet) in which women are listed along with all the other slaves and property you shouldn't covet. It's culturally out of date - that is the only point of agreement I have with you - as secular ethics have thankfully become the norm. So why are you trying to justify people who still want to impose this sort of obscenity on women?

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 14:01

      caroza.b - brilliantly said. jurgen.eksteen - Genetics is supposedly "gods" creation therefor the blame still lies with him, and miscarriages do NOT always happen because of genetic problems (shows how clueless you are). Also, are you seriously saying there weren't miscarriages in Biblical days?! Are you insane? The average lifespan was probably half of what it is today, and there were probably 20 times more miscarriages, still births etc back then. Jeez your ignorance is astounding.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 14:07

      @hjkavdkah : The words 'God created man' and 'Commonsense' (Actually it is two separate words) do not belong in the same sentence together, unless the words 'lack of' or 'antithesis of' precede.

      henry.vanderburpenfart - 2012-10-24 14:08

      Wordisword. I've read your bible and probably have a better understanding of it than you do. The difference is that I have an open enough mind to consider both sides of the argument. That's all it takes - that and obviously same basic scientific literacy. If the answer to my last question is no, then your god is ultimately responsible for everyone who ends up in hell. Yeah, I know, it's pretty messed up when you apply logic and reason to it. The thing is, us secular folks (atheists or whatever label you apply) would instantly change our minds if solid evidence was provided. That's how a rational mind works.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-10-24 15:44

      @classwar.trotsky, unfortunately nothing is more tangled that the Theory of Evolution when it comes to back it up in the real world. From a scientific point of view, creation makes much more sense and is a much simpler explanation of everything than evolution. Science != Naturalism Science = observable and repeatable conditions and reactions and merely provides results. To the Christian Jesus is his faith and Creation is his world view. To the atheist Evolution is his faith and Naturalism is his world view. Unbiased scientific results lean towards Creation. @Hugh_Influence, it's laughable how you twist my words on what I said. I never said there were no miscarriages in biblical times nor did I say it is always genetics that is the cause. Things like hydrocephalus, downs syndrome etc are all genetic disorders. God did create genetics in the beginning, but after the fall of man it started to degenerate (hence the blame is on man). Ultimately everything boils down to this: Man is created by God. Then man rebelled against Him and today man blames God for the ills that man is bringing on himself millennium after millennium, century after century, day after day. To a Christian life is sacred for it was created by God and for an honest atheist or subscriber to evolution life is cheap because it has been around since forever and will be all the time (theoretically). Hence we are back at the original argument of this thread.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 15:54

      @jurgen.eksteen : I reiterate : What a tangled web we weave when we talk bollocks.

      henry.vanderburpenfart - 2012-10-25 10:32

      Jurgen you seem to think that science is something that one "believes" or has faith in. That's not how it works. Faith is holding a belief in the absence of evidence, or in some cases, despite contradictory evidence. For example, I don't have faith in gravity. I can't see, taste, touch, hear or smell it. I can't take a broom and sweep and bunch of it into a pile, point at it and say "Look Jurgen, a whole heap of gravity!" Like your god, it's an abstract and intangible force. Unlike your god, it's existence can be proven in countless observable and repeatable means. That's the main difference between science and religion. Scientific fact is true whether you believe in it or not, whereas religions vary wildly in their interpretations of the same ambiguous scriptures that they are based on. You say secular folk are angry with god? What for? Seems like you're the angry one, coming after us with the usual rhetoric such as threats of damnation and judgement. Lets forget about all the other religions and focus just on Christianity. How do you even know that you're practicing the right form of Christianity? There are over 30 000 (and counting) kinds of that religion, each convinced that the rest are incorrect and going to hell. The only thing that is universal is the anti-intellectualism at it's core which is demonstrated in the Garden of Eden myth: Adam ate from the tree of knowledge and as a result we were cast out from paradise. Subtext: Don't think or ask questions.

      izak.burger.3 - 2012-10-26 10:43

      I hate sticking my neck out on these things but I have to challenge the statement that a raped woman was forced to marry her rapist. 1. The word used in that verse (Deut 22:28) is "taphas" which means to lay hold of. It COULD imply force, but... 1.1. The preceding verses (22:25) uses "shakab" and clearly refers to rape. So it is reasonable to assume that :28 means something else. 2. Deuteronomy (the second law) extends on the first in Exodus, this is a mirror of Exodus 22:16, where it clearly indicates seduction as being the problem. 3. In history, rape has not always meant the same thing. Seducing a woman to the point where she willingly lies with you was sometimes also considered rape by some cultures. Today is is called consent. 4. The lady wasn't obligated to marry the man. The man was obligated to marry (and provide for) her. This did not necessarily include further sexual rights. What's more, the lady's father could refuse. This law was there for the protection of the woman, not for her subjection. This protection was necessary because her "economic" value was destroyed by this act. The concept of women having economic value was by no means restricted to Israel either, and it persists to this day in some cultures.

  • tsietsi.gagai - 2012-10-24 08:37

    \God\ planned kids 2b products of rape!!! \Legimate\ rape!!! Wat absurdity! Only in the \free\ world.

  • kd.bee.3 - 2012-10-24 08:37

    Mourdock- in this world there is good and there is evil. God is good. Rape is evil. Your verbal vommit is like the spot that lady Macbeth is referring to in her 5th act! what you have said are the words of a dark, regressive thinking ignoramus in the minds of those with any level of intellect and reason.

  • pieter.pan.184 - 2012-10-24 08:39

    It must be so easy to talk about god's disgusting plan when you aren't the one who is being raped, tortured, starving, ravished by disease or trying to find food for your kids. I for one think god's plan sucks and he needs to go back to the drawing board.

      JacoSwart1973 - 2012-10-24 09:12

      It seems to me, that you are under the impression that this whole universe was created to benefit mankind. How arrogant! We as humans and our solar system is infinitesimally small in the grander scheme of things of the universe. How can you even think that we are at the center of all things created. This view is destined to created many more situations where you will be disappointed.

      pieter.pan.184 - 2012-10-24 11:40

      Actually no. I belief life on Earth is a happy accident. But why do religious people always want to sweep the worlds problems under a rug by calling them part of god's plan? They're the ones who believe that there is some magic man up in the sky who gives a crap about what we do. But he can't be merciful, peace-loving and forgiving if they have to admit that the world is full of suffering people. So they are conveniently suffering in service to god's plan. It's not so bad after all, because when the suffering masses die, heaven awaits.

  • jawa.bunter - 2012-10-24 08:46

    More evidence of this god's incompetence and failure as a god.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 08:57

      And more evidence of the elitism and dehumanisation inherent in the ruling theocratic mindset.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:11

      Especially when "God" is represented by morons like this.

  • mainganyak - 2012-10-24 08:46

    He's such a stupid F@#$@K...

  • michelle.blackie - 2012-10-24 08:47

    Another village has lost it's IDIOT!!!!!!!!

  • denny.cray - 2012-10-24 08:57

    I'm pro-abortion on mostly pragmatic grounds. There definitely is a moral argument for the pro-life camp and rationale comments which can be made to support it. This wasn't one of those. He backtracked and clarified afterwards but the damage was probably done by then already. He may well have unintentionally skewed his words initially but I'd expect a politician I was going to vote for to be able to avoid such blunders.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:13

      It doesn't seem to be affecting his vote - so what does that say about the people voting for him... now that is scary.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-24 09:05

    Of course he's doing what all politicians have always done, make his ludicrous Sky Wizard statements to garner the support of the ignorant, the jelly-brained, and the retarded. Just when I thought politicians couldn't be viler!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-24 09:53

      . But, than in this case, YOU should be supporting him !!!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-24 10:59

      Voetsek......jou dom kop!

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 11:29

      Well said, Cde Fidel. Exposing your racism and lack of intellect, Anthonyfromafrica.

  • napolita.kio - 2012-10-24 09:06

    "Rape pregnancy God's intention" Given that Christians believe Jesus was killed for the good of human beings, that is to save people. His statements are logically and expectedly within the the same line of reasoning as the quoted statement above. To paraphrase, from the killing/murder (a horrible thing) of Jesus out keep the good, i.e. people were/are saved. Similarly, from the pregnancy of a woman as a result of rape (a horrible thing) out comes life. The point of this comment is NOT on the veracity of the statements but on pointing out the possible consistency in the "line of thinking".

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:46

      And we all agree that his "line of thinking" is moronic, albeit consistent.

  • herman.kramer.988 - 2012-10-24 09:10

    Idiot! as bad as Malema....

  • charl.malan.12 - 2012-10-24 09:10

    Come to Africa my friend and see how many gifts from god get given unwillingly eg. 5000 rapes in the Democratic Republic of Congo in this year alone, that is allot of gifts! What a f@ckin moran!

  • jenniferann.palmer - 2012-10-24 09:11

    OMG!!...You americans are worse off than us..lol...

  • manfred.meyer - 2012-10-24 09:11

    lol If thats true then God must be one sick f$ck. Brainless republicans.

  • Michael - 2012-10-24 09:12

    But in the Bible, i mean for those who believes in it, God says to Jeremiah that he knew him by his name even before he was born, cant it be posible that God knew the child who is to be born from a raped mother also?

      donald.perumal - 2012-10-24 12:54

      The Bible was written by people who yearned for power however that does NOT mean Jesus Christ was not a special!

  • stephen.scott.376043 - 2012-10-24 09:13

    America is going backwards, how can you have people who think like that in government, he should be in a padded cell, hope is wife gets raped and he has to bring up the child.

  • Chris Le Roux - 2012-10-24 09:15

    idiot

  • wardiaan.hattingh - 2012-10-24 09:16

    Wow, can any of you people read? The guy never said that rape is God's will, he said that a baby born from a rape-situation is God's will. Rape is a terrible thing, but a loving God brings something good, something beautiful from that situation, a baby. This article has got nothing to do with the act of rape, but rather with the consequense of the rape. But you would rather kill that beauty, the baby! For me that is way more shocking!!!

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-10-24 09:21

      Shut up Wardiaan, don't be so ignorant, and what so, now, this poor rape victim has to raise the child of this person who invaded her most private and intimate part of her life! Yet another mouth to feed in this world! You are shocking!

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 09:28

      wardiaan- you sound like the worst kind of christian apologist.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:52

      If your God thinks rape is a great way to produce a baby then you can have God all to yourself. by the way, God kills babies all the time with miscarriages, what's his "divine" plan there huh? He must be a real sexist, who enjoys having women suffer.

      wardiaan.hattingh - 2012-10-24 09:54

      Charl, the baby can be adopted. A lot of couples can't bare children of their own. I'm totally against rape, but something beautiful can come from it, even though it is a terrible and disgraceful act. And Classwar, I serve a God, Who doesn't need me to apologise for Him. I'm just stating Truth! Please read the book by Hettie Britz on surviving rape!

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 10:13

      That is your problem - you serve a god - serve = servant? I feel sorry for those who have accepted authority as truth, instead of truth as authority...

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-10-24 10:18

      Wardiaan. You obviously have not been the victim of rape. The homes of orphans are full, so no shortage of kids that can be adopted. You are the first one to speak of killing the baby. The rest of us were just argueing whether the baby was a gift of God. The beauty of a child is formed by his parents, his environment, his caretaker and for that reason you do get beautiful and not-so-beautiful children. We are however not discussing the the variable consequences of the rape as determined by humans, but the direct result of the rape. The way you are carrying on creates the impression that you want to beautify rape, turn it into an act of love. I just hope it will not be necessary for you to be raped to change your way of thinking.

      kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-10-24 12:46

      Agree Wardiaan, most bloggers here dont get what is actually being said by the man.

      riette.nothling - 2012-10-24 13:25

      So exactly what is the difference, if rape-pregnancy is His will then the rape must have been as well as you can't have the one without the other? To think that a woman are expected to love a baby born of rape?!

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-10-24 09:16

    This idiot should study all the scriptures, and communicate his ideas about rape etc. with his Mother and Father.

  • jana.bornmann - 2012-10-24 09:25

    I don't know if he has daughters, but can't help to think he will change his views if it was his wife or daughter pregnant because of rape.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-10-24 09:28

    I hope you or your family never get raped you f'ing ignorant insensitive peasant.

  • edward.martin.549 - 2012-10-24 09:33

    Sorry what - I think I just choked to death. WHAT a LOAD of SH@T

  • edward.martin.549 - 2012-10-24 09:33

    Really - how stupid can people be

  • phindile.zina - 2012-10-24 09:37

    'even when life beggins whith that horrible situation of rape, that is what God intended to happen' controversial statement, but he has a point, though.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:55

      Apparently, God's intention was to make you stupid.

  • richardnealejohn.underwood - 2012-10-24 09:38

    If you cared to read your Bible you would know that Satan issued a challenge to God when he said that people do not need him ,that they can rule themselves.God in his wisdom , has against all his intentions allowed this to take place, to show not only mankind but the millions of Angels what the result will be. I think that it speaks for itself that they cannot. Satan is the ruler of this world. Proof for my saying so is where Satan had Jesus look down at the world ,and said to him "I will give you all this if you will obey me". Did Jesus then tell him that it is not his to give ? or that it belongs to his father, NO. So God cannot be blamed for anything that happens here . The Bible tells you: Do not be part of this world as I am not part of this world .

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 09:57

      Or perhaps religion is mans way of simplifying the incomprehensible concept of existence.

      seanrossouwslr - 2012-10-24 10:55

      So this god, an omnipotent and all knowing sky wizard with the ability to create the entire universe is not to be blamed for any events that take place, which, by the definition of omnipotent and all knowing, he already knew would occur? By the same argument, would if not also be true that nothing good that happens can be blamed on god?

      bob.slap.5 - 2012-10-24 11:24

      thats good stuff you are smoking

      John - 2012-10-24 13:20

      You obviously of never heard of the concept "Problem of Evil" POE because you have only ever read one book. If evil happens your god knows about it and allows it to happen and worst of all he is not good because he does nothing to stop it. Apretty useless omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent being.

      bheki.moyo.39 - 2012-10-24 14:30

      Ignorance will hinder you from knowing the truth. Know that God created this world,and there is nothing like human evolution,never,forget about that. God created you,deny it if you want but that is the truth. You will die one day. This will happen against your will but to fulfill what the scriptures say.

      John - 2012-10-24 15:12

      BTW If it is God’s plan then the rapist is innocent.

      John - 2012-10-24 15:16

      bhekimoyo "there is nothing like human evolution"?? Really did you get that from your bronze age science text book? And as far as I am aware my mother and father created me. I know its boring but that's pretty much how it happened no supernatural intervention required. Your scripture can fulfill itself all it likes the worms will still eat your body and you like 99% of all life that ever existed will be dead.

      henry.vanderburpenfart - 2012-10-25 10:37

      So your omnipotent and all knowing god created this world. He then created us and put us here along with a message about how much he loves us, then created the devil, handed him the keys and said "over to you buddy, have fun." Sounds like a bit of a d00s.

  • eddy.deepfield - 2012-10-24 09:39

    Christianity is not a religion of progress, nor is it a religion of open-mindedness. It does not tolerate, nor appreciate free inquiry. It condemns it outright (I Timothy 6:20-21). It sets up the classic clergy-laity system by setting up few as teachers (See James 3:1) and the rest as dumbbells, members who sit like garden nomes and take in what their spiritual leaders tell them. Like the ancient mystery cults, which were so common in New Testament times and before, Christianity claims infallibility and thereby vilifies everyone and every school of thought to disagree with it… “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.” (I Cor. 16:22) “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 1:10-11)

  • hennie.lombard.33 - 2012-10-24 09:46

    Yes I agree your words were selfishly twisted by your opponent!!!

  • burger.geldenhuys - 2012-10-24 09:50

    It's all gods fault until it happens to his wife or kids! Then who's fault is it.. the rapist? Or did god tell him to do it? Useless if I say!! It's the same as the "have a shower" saying. Both stupid

  • nicola.r.rossi.1 - 2012-10-24 09:59

    No one has the right to 'play God' - statistics have proven that mother's who have been raped and still go through with the pregnancy, heal far faster and better than those who opted for abortion...

      Adil Smit - 2012-10-24 19:45

      Can you post a link, please?

  • nixi.blakeway - 2012-10-24 10:08

    TWO wrongs NEVER doth a right make. AND it is proven fact that abortion has horrible risks and repurcussions on the woman for the rest of her life. Would I want to add murder on my list of wrongs also? Yes, rape is evil to the worst degree but don't DON"T lets kill the ONLY innocent person in the story. Who knows, that child might be the one who will find a cure for cancer, or prevent a war?

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-10-24 10:33

      Or a Hitler, Stalin, etc. etc... what is your point?

      seanrossouwslr - 2012-10-24 11:03

      If the baby is the only innocent person in the story, are you saying the raped woman is guilty of something? {By the same logic you should be pregnant every 9 months since puberty, what if one of those children added to this already overpopulated world is the next Ghandi? Condoms? Illegal! The pill? Should be illegal too! We should pump out as many children as possible to make sure we get all the good ones. But a cure for cancer is wrong , killing a bunch of cells is practically an abortion anyway, who cares if they never develop into a functional human being in a loving family? Life is precious! } Sarcasm brackets

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 15:15

      So you're saying rape should be legalised - because a baby born from a rape is "Gods will" - so God then intended for the rape to happen, in order to have the baby come into the world? What if the child grows up gay, how will that stand with the religious belief? What if the kid grows up in an awful orphanage and is abused their whole life and turns into a rapist or murderer themselves - part of Gods plan too? What if they grow up just being mediocre, grey suit and tie people - not everyone gets to be a scientist curing cancer. Ugh. Pointless arguing with brick walls.

  • mable.jacobs.90 - 2012-10-24 10:27

    Bizarre

  • zaaristotle - 2012-10-24 10:36

    What a twit - like most politicians the world over. I wonder if he would hold the same view if his wife was raped and he had to raise the result of the crime. Or if he would still like to impose his views on women if he was raped and he had to live with the psychological consequences?

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 11:30

      Being the one of religious bent, he would more likely be the perpetrator of rape, as opposed to being the victim thereof.

  • gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-24 10:47

    Jou mour man, Mourdock!

  • bob.slap.5 - 2012-10-24 11:20

    @ Adrian and @ Jurgen religious NUT head

  • klebepe - 2012-10-24 11:38

    If this guy had his way then all rapists would be set free as long as they fulfilled this so-called will of God and empragnated their victims. He sounds like a rapist himself!

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 11:51

      Well, Republicans are well known rapists of the constitution, the economy, women's rights over their own bodies, international law, common sense, common decency etc etc etc

      bob.slap.5 - 2012-10-24 11:53

      really sick

  • Hangwanie - 2012-10-24 11:45

    Sick, no brainer

  • riffak.traws - 2012-10-24 12:39

    Abortion is personal. Jobs, taxes and houses however, those are more pressing issues that affect all from rich to poor. Prioritise please

  • jaco.slabbert - 2012-10-24 12:43

    *facepalm*

  • donald.perumal - 2012-10-24 12:46

    Hi All One can see where this goat is coming from.Rape like apartheid can never be justified.It is NOT God's intention that anybody should be raped.Full Stop! Hopefully to Mourdock's Election too!

  • John - 2012-10-24 13:10

    The problem here is that god intends nothing because he is a figment of bronze age imagination. "God creates life" really? I thought it was the rapist and his victim through a process known as biological reproduction. We know how life is created, we can explain it to the infinite detail, but some idiots who have only read one book in their lives think a skydaddy didit.

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-10-24 14:44

      Since both the egg and the sperma are seen as "alive", a fetus is in the strictest sense merely a continuation of existing life and not a "new" one.

      John - 2012-10-24 15:08

      Life is a self-sustaining process. Eggs and sperm are cells - not life. On their own they are not life. What exactly is your point?

  • anwar.daniels - 2012-10-24 13:11

    More news from the leaders of the most influential country in the world

  • margie.swanepoel - 2012-10-24 14:16

    What a sick god. Why draw the line when it comes to the mother's life. Surely that is god's will to. According to his theory humans should intervene in nothing, as it is all god's will. If you intervene then you are interfering in god's will. SICK, SICK, SICK.

  • Billy - 2012-10-24 15:00

    how about, i punch you in the face. "god meant for that to happen"

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-24 15:17

      I'll kick him when he's down. Also Gods will.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-10-24 15:57

      Funny how christians turn every damn thing into god's will, unless it doesn't suit their narrow objectives, then suddenly 'free will' rears it'ss stupid head. These people want to have their communion wafer and eat it too.

  • christopher.m.lowe - 2012-10-24 15:56

    And Mitt Romney endorses this idiot. Jesus wept.