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Religion must be subject to satire - Rushdie

2015-01-07 19:58

London - British-Indian writer Salman Rushdie paid tribute on Wednesday to the work of satirical French magazine Charlie Hebdo following a deadly attack on its offices Wednesday, saying religion must be subject to satire.

"I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity," said Rushdie, who was the subject of a fatwa, or religious edict, calling for his assassination in the 1980s.

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  • Luqmaan Adam - 2015-01-07 20:16

    Religion ought to be respected and not subject to nonsense.. get lost with your opinions and comedy...

      brad.lee.10004 - 2015-01-07 20:27

      Respect God. Not religion. The Quran says it clearly. Believe in God and not the concept of religion!

      RabbleRouser - 2015-01-07 20:29

      All religion is just based on superstition. I have no reason to respect your religion or any body else's including Islam.

      Dave Leverton - 2015-01-07 20:29

      Respect is earned not given. Nothing is beyond satire.

      Raymon Mcnelly - 2015-01-07 20:34

      Brad Lee, Where does the Quaran say that?

      kefiloe.moloko.9 - 2015-01-07 20:50

      Crab, religion that causes death and terrorism better off without these religions and morons

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 20:58

      Why should your cult and your ridiculous superstitions be respected? Fly to the moon on a winged horse greetings. From Koos.

      Nikki Downes - 2015-01-07 21:26

      I agree Luqmaan. Anything that is important to a group should be left alone in respect. It's just not necessary. By the same token I do believe that these groups don't have the right to force their beliefs on any one either. It cuts both ways. No one should have lost their lives for this though. This was an unforgivable action.

      Mike Mike - 2015-01-07 21:31

      Religion is fine Luqmaan, but Islam is not a religion. Islam is an ideology same as Nazism and Communism. Countries are ruled by Islam and you have to subject yourself to its cruel and harsh fundamentalist ways. That is the 1st way to know if it is a religion or an ideology. The Nazi's were cruel, as are the communists.

      Mike Mike - 2015-01-07 22:03

      @Rashid - Is telling the truth spreading hatred and causing violence. It is followers of your ideology which is doing that. Don't blame the messenger - blame the ideology that you know doubt support. I stand for peace and love - and I stand against violence in every way. I have always and will always condemn violence and chaos. I will not be silenced in my condemnation of what is happening in the world. You though seem to be very defensive and attack me for what your brothers are doing. This is of course the way of Islam is it not?

      Henry Van Der Vaartenburp - 2015-01-07 22:25

      The problem isn't with the fundamentalists, but with the fundamentals themselves. If the religion really is peaceful, then how come the radicals aren't radically peaceful?

      Mike Mike - 2015-01-07 22:30

      @Rashid - My facts are spot on. But you clearly have no argument. You simply condemn because you know I am right. You have been indoctrinated into believing the ideology - It's like being force fed. Sit back Rashid and start having a good, long and hard look at yourself and your ideology. Just open your mind and allow yourself to see things from a different perspective. Do some reading and let your yourself be still and contemplate. Let the universe talk to you. You might be surprised at what you learn.

      Koos Koekkies - 2015-01-07 23:47

      Pray to your gods to fight and kill all the other gods, but for all the god's sake, let the people live.

      SaintBruce Bruce - 2015-01-08 08:59

      @ Mike and Rashid - Islam at its heart is a political ideology clothed in religious terms and expressions. The goal of this political ideology is to subjugate all others of other thought into one dominated, patriarchical system or face death. What moderates say and what the world sees regarding the acts of Muslims are at loggerheads but which view is getting the publicity ? Terrorism or words that try to say Islam is about peace ? Try selling that to the victims in Paris Rashid.

  • Erik Boshoff - 2015-01-07 20:17

    Agreed 120%l!!!

      Raymon Mcnelly - 2015-01-07 20:37

      With what?

  • mehboob.musawermalik - 2015-01-07 20:22

    well said luqman

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 20:59

      Why should your cult and your ridiculous superstitions be respected? Fly to the moon on a winged horse greetings. From Koos.

      Derek Edwards - 2015-01-07 22:20

      Rashid. don't get upset when all of you are tarred with the same brush when you openly support the killing of non believer's. Or is it that all moslems are actually murdering radicals? if your cult/belief/ideology whatever you choose to call it is so shallow and false that it cant stand up to a bit of scrutiny and question maybe you should reconsider following this fake god and evil dictator mohammad(lhbih)who made it all up.

      Amandlawhereto - 2015-01-07 22:23

      Rashid, You believe that no-one is allowed to draw pictures of your prophet - I don't - why does your belief trump my belief? It is a fact that no other religion spawns as many extremists as Islam, why? ~2.5 billion Christians, how many "Christian Terrorist Organisations"? ~1.5 billion Muslims, how many "Islamic Terrorist Organisations"? Can you explain why your "religion of peace" has such a high percentage of extremist groups? There is something very, very wrong with your religion and if you cannot see that it is because of your childhood brainwashing - sadly in other environments that same brainwashing results in bloodshed.

      Rashid Kara - 2015-01-07 23:04

      @orangoetang, do you want a civil answer, respect and be sensitive to other people's faiths, do you see us killing anyone here, the only hate-trolls in this country is the embittered whites, well not all of them I must admit, their are very good ones as well!! but to answer you more affirmative, we do not like insults, scrutiny yes, questioning, yes, facts yes, slander -no, lies no, so engage with us respectfully without insults, then you will get our attention!

      Raymon Mcnelly - 2015-01-08 08:40

      Rashid, Then why are you such a liar? Why do you insult everyone on this forum? Why do you deny verifiable facts? Why do you want to shag donkeys?

  • Huge Mar - 2015-01-07 20:23

    @bongani i take it you are one of those morons who viva the criminaly corrupt anc too. .

      Bongani Ntshalintshali - 2015-01-07 20:55

      Im just happy to see the ridicule of other people's beliefs veiled under the so called freedom of speech served with the retaliation it deserves. If that is corruption then im very happy and proud to label myself as corrupt.

  • brad.lee.10004 - 2015-01-07 20:26

    God is not the issue. Religion is the root cause. If everyone believes in God without a name, or designation I believe we would not be divided then by religion and beliefs. We will be human first rather than a religious designation that divides us apart from race and colour!

      Peter Fuyane - 2015-01-07 20:37

      Spot on Brad Lee. May whatever God you believe in bless your cotton socks.

      Johannes Smid - 2015-01-07 21:13

      And what would that God be like Brad, or are we not allowed to speculate? The problem here isn't religion, the problem is that a newspaper ridiculed a religion whose followers don't really care much. This is going to happen more and more in the future. If you respect those around you, this won't happen. If you disrespect those around you, you get hurt. This happens in all forms of life.

      Koos Koekkies - 2015-01-08 03:47

      Of course this is religion. When children are indoctrinated from an early age that THEIR particular god is the greatest, then what do you expect when those little children grow up to be adults? Religious indoctrination has created a culture of "them-and-us", or, "my god is better than your god". The very funny thing is that Christians, Muslims and Jews all praise the same god but with different prophets or no prophets. It is almost impossible to convince an adult otherwise once he's been taught as a child that his god is watching him, and that he must obey his/ her god. Come on people, can't yo see how incredibly crazy this "religion" thing has become? We cannot simply just go on and label this as "terrorism". Of course it's terrorism, but religion is driving this terrorism. Finished en klaar.

  • wikus.erasmus.545 - 2015-01-07 20:30

    Christianity has been under severe scrutiny and very little could be done to undermine it. The criticism is welcomed and hard questions need to be asked. If Christianity is not true, why believe in it? Islam does not afford anyone the opportunity to investigate, question or research it objectively. The only alternative is for adherents of islam to blindly and unquestioningly assert its truth claims with no foundation to do so.

      Reginald_Jeeves - 2015-01-07 21:02

      Wikus, you are absolutely correct. The leaders of Islam like to brag that theirs is the fastest growing religion in the world. What they fail to mention is that it is the fastest growing ENCORCED religion in the world! I have heard it said that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, would renounce its teachings as evil nonsense in an instant if they could. Of course Islam does not afford you that luxury. You can become a Muslim, no problem. But try to leave and you might very well be murdered. There is another faith where the same happens. Can you guess which one I mean?

  • Jimbob - 2015-01-07 20:32

    Giving up laughing and bacon. Sounds like hell.

  • Staal Burger - 2015-01-07 20:35

    Ban religion. It has been the source of all wars on Planet Earth. You believe in something that does not exist.

      Stephen AndKathy Whiteley - 2015-01-07 20:52

      No religion, politics or economics has ever been the cause of war, or ever will be. The cause of all wars is fear - fear of other people and their different ways, fear of what they say or do, fear of being alone or of taking responsibility, fear that someone or some nation might do us down. Instead admitting our fear and facing the realities around us we build defences around ourselves. We invent fine excuses to conceal our fear from ourselves and vilify the people we are afraid of. S

      Staal Burger - 2015-01-07 21:11

      Space Ship Earth is billions of years old. So old that it existed before Homo Sapiens came along and created OTHER rules, over and above, they believe, of nature.

      Henry Van Der Vaartenburp - 2015-01-07 22:28

      Banning it won't help. It's actually counter-productive because freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion. Education is the key. As scientific literacy increases, access to information grows and society becomes more accepting of people who do not affiliate themselves with any particular faith, religion just becomes more and more obsolete.

      Koos Koekkies - 2015-01-08 03:48

      War of the gods.

  • Neels Malan - 2015-01-07 20:35

    I am a Christian. I noted a cartoon from Charlie blaspheming the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. For me it is blasphemy, and I believe one day these blasphemers will stand before the throne of the God in whom I believe. But this does not give me the right to use violence against those blasphemers, let alone murder them. I leave the final judgement in the hands of God, and in the meantime strive to love God and my neigbour as He demands me to do.

      Neels Malan - 2015-01-07 20:50

      Oranga Tang -- Your proposal is something you have thought out. But I do not do things which I have thought out. I do things that are written in the Bible. I God, in his Word (the Bible) demands of me to do as you suggested I will, with his help, obey. But not because somebody thought something out. I do not even do things I think out. I, by faith, because of the gracious guidance of the Holy Spirit, obey the Word of God! And it is a joy, I assure you. Nothing compares to it.

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 21:04

      Blasphemy is the only victimless crime. It's a man-made protection against doctrines and imaginary beings that can't defend themselves. Eintlik pokkin fateties Neels.

      Derek Edwards - 2015-01-07 22:34

      Neels you do things as written in the bible? So have you sold your daughter into slavery yet? If you did how much did you get for her?

      Neels Malan - 2015-01-07 22:38

      Orang Tang -- The Bible tells me in essence to love God and my neigbour. Is this a load of rubbish? Why must I spend time in jail for loving God and my neigbour? Surely the murderers in Paris should spend time in jail, or worse, for what they did. Did I threaten anybody with violence or death?

      Koos Koekkies - 2015-01-08 03:50

      Neels, sell everything and follow Jesus.

      Marinda van Wyk - 2015-01-08 07:23

      Amen Neels! My God and all the prophets of the Bible do not need guns, violence and killings to defend or revenge Him/them. His/their greatness speaks for Him/themselves

  • Carl Botha - 2015-01-07 20:36

    Zermgarde Skrudlind said MANY years ago: "Islam is the greatest single force working against world peace on this planet."

  • Bradly Minnaar - 2015-01-07 20:37

    Islam is all about not having fun....God forbid you crack a smile

  • Andre Vlermuis Mills - 2015-01-07 20:39

    I find it very disturbing that now muslim has condemned killing unarmed people. But you say islam =peace. Please explain why this is acceptable.

  • Bradly Minnaar - 2015-01-07 20:53

    @ Andre...islam is all about converting through force and domination......im just glad the world is beginning to see through their bs

  • Tony da Cruz - 2015-01-07 20:54

    You want the west to tolerate Islam? Fine, We'll tolerate Islam as soon as Islam learns to tolerate Atheism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Hinduism, homosexuality, democracy, alcohol, women's rights and free speech. Practice what you preach.

      Grant Wright - 2015-01-07 21:01

      Well said

      David Sharpley - 2015-01-07 21:15

      And bacon

      David Sharpley - 2015-01-07 21:15

      And bacon

  • kefiloe.moloko.9 - 2015-01-07 20:54

    The end result of religion is forever murderous acts, I am not surprised

  • Bradly Minnaar - 2015-01-07 20:59

    @ carl.....zermgarde was spot on

  • Sean Coomer - 2015-01-07 21:03

    Personally I struggle to understand how people can accept that the entire universe was created out of nothing and that our lives have no meaning. Suppose the question you have to ask yourself is whether you are willing to put your faith in the theories of scientists and philosphers at the risk of a eternity of torment or will you at least go on a journey to discover truth looking at all possibilities. For me there is no greater truth than the bible. Prophecies of Jesus that were written 700 years before his coming, the overwhelming factual account of historic events, places, people's names and the condition of a man's heart and the historical artifacts that have been found are evidence enough of a truth. As to why someone would mock someone with a different belief to theirs begs me to ask whether they know all the answers to all major social, ethical and major universal questions and therefore know all truth.

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 21:13

      Yeah, our preferences don't determine what is true. Sorry mate. And gaps in our present knowledge aren't automatically and by default filled by your imaginary angry Bronze Age character.

      Sean Coomer - 2015-01-07 21:32

      What you believe is entirely up to you? I have my beliefs and you have yours. My objection is that there is always opportunity to debate the issues of faith but mockery of someone's belief by association means that you have obtained some kind of enlightenment which is far superior to others and therefore you know all truth.

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 21:44

      And about your prophecies: you're like professional gamblers. You never talk about your losses. Google unfulfilled Biblical prophecies. And using the Bible to prove the Bible is the same as using Harry Potter books to prove Hogwards is a real school. Ultimate mind virus at work here...

      Sean Coomer - 2015-01-07 22:29

      Once you get around the facts that the Bible was written over a period of 2,000 years by 40 different authors from three continents, who wrote in three different languages with the same consistent message throughout and nearly 2000 years later people are still reading and debating it.

      Koos Koekkies - 2015-01-08 03:51

      Sean....listen to yourself....

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-08 07:48

      Good point Sean. It illustrated the potency of this mind virus

      Raymon Mcnelly - 2015-01-08 08:57

      Koos Luerre, I'd rather believe the Bible version of creation for example than our current theory of Evolution.

  • Scotty English - 2015-01-07 21:07

    Blasphemy is not right and will be judged. I don't like the Muslim doctrine and don't believe that their god is my God. My God is a God of peace and love and it's a personal relationship that you have. It's got nothing to do with anyone. Terrorism is an act of Satanism full stop and murder is a sin. If you want to die for a religion, you have your screws loose.

      Marie Botha - 2015-01-07 21:22

      That is from your subjective point of view. Try and look at yourself through the eyes of a Muslim!!! What makes you right and him wrong or visa verse. The only wrong is BOTH religions. Islam is gaining on Christianity. Isn't the Christian god then clearly inferior to Allah

      Isjy Seker - 2015-01-08 00:06

      WHAT? Marie, are you kidding with that immensely intellectual freakishly well-thought out question???

  • Nanina Schelan - 2015-01-07 21:07

    Oranga Tang please be so kind and tell me what religion is god? He is the creator of all but for sure not any religion. So hate religion but not god so say all and what do we humans do we fight in the name of religion it has been for 1000sends of years like that and will stay like that

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 21:49

      Which god? We've invented some 2800 known deities since recorded times.

  • Staal Burger - 2015-01-07 21:25

    If one can tell me where I came from, then surely I can believe where I will go when I die. Nobody can. I was conceived like any other mammal on Earth.

  • Hull Cityforever - 2015-01-07 21:32

    These extremists dont care what happens to themselves while they are alive and no amount of negotiation or reasoning will change this. The only way to deter them is by influencing what they think will happen to them in the 'afterlife'. For a start, if they are killed committing terrorist acts it should be made standard practice that their body (or whats left of it) will be sewn into a pigs carcass so that they are forever unclean and not worthy to enter jannah, maybe this will start getting through to their primitive brains...

      Amandlawhereto - 2015-01-07 21:45

      Sadly they get brainwashed from a very early age, not much hope of influencing what gets "taught" to them at madrasa!

  • Taurai Taivo - 2015-01-07 21:40

    I would start believing in God the day he reveals himself to all of us and clear all this confusion about religion. As long as human beings continue to butcher each other on behalf of their gods, I choose to remain an atheist.

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 21:48

      Atheism or non-belief isn't a choice. It's a conclusion. The same happened to you when you stopped believing in Father Christmas.

      If You See Kay - 2015-01-07 21:52

      Taurai, don't be a Koos....it's quite right what you are saying about religion. But what religion is doing doesn't confirm evolution, etc etc. Evolution is just as unscientific as what the Catholic Church has been. That's a fact. So don't be a Koos.

      If You See Kay - 2015-01-07 21:52

      Taurai, don't be a Koos....it's quite right what you are saying about religion. But what religion is doing doesn't confirm evolution, etc etc. Evolution is just as unscientific as what the Catholic Church has been. That's a fact. So don't be a Koos.

      Koos Luerre - 2015-01-07 21:56

      Yet another religiot and ignoramus who reject evolution for reasons that have nothing to do with evolution.

      Marie Botha - 2015-01-08 05:03

      I contend that we both are Atheists. I just believe in one god less than you do. Once you understand why you dismiss all the others, you will understand why I dismiss yours. Stephen Roberts

      Sean Mitchell - 2015-01-08 11:57

      If You See Kay. Your comment regarding evolution is ignorant and wrong. Evolution has been confirmed repeatedly by all branches of biology.

  • Abizou Walkeen - 2015-01-07 22:58

    I declare an unholy crusade against muslims and islam. Don't worry it's a totally spiritual "metaphorical" unholy crusade just like your jihad. It is time we stop tolerating islam for the sake of political correctness. We'll get to other religions later, one evil at a time. Oink oink

  • Isaac Ike Ndala - 2015-01-07 23:44

    Lol. Am here for comments

      Marie Botha - 2015-01-08 05:06

      No comment

  • GraemeMusto7007 - 2015-01-08 07:44

    The mooslambs will not agree

  • Dave X Masithulele - 2015-01-08 07:55

    I don't know if it's too early to say this... but When will zuma pay back the money?

  • Pierre Hough - 2015-01-08 10:50

    Satire to some is a religion. Figure that ...

  • Secrecy Bill - 2015-01-15 12:34

    Thanks for writing Satanic Verses !

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