Russia irate over order on Jewish texts

2013-01-18 14:01

Moscow - Russia has criticised a US judge's ruling in a longstanding dispute over a collection of Jewish writings, warning of potential retaliation in an irate statement that reflected strained ties with the United States.

A judge in Washington on Wednesday ordered Russia to pay $50 000 a day in fines for failure to adhere to a 2010 ruling requiring it to return books and documents to the New York-based Chabad-Lubavitch group.

The ruling raised hackles in Russia at a time when relations are strained by differences over the conflict in Syria and by a law signed by President Vladimir Putin last month barring Americans from adopting Russian orphans.

Putin, who began a six-year third term as president last May, has frequently assailed the United States for what he sees as interference in the affairs of other countries, and accuses Washington of seeking to impose its will and laws abroad.

In a Foreign Ministry statement on Thursday, Russia called the initial ruling ordering the return of the texts "odious" and made clear it had no intention of paying fines.

"We have said more than once that this verdict is of an extraterritorial nature, contradicts international law and is legally void," it said of the 2010 ruling.

Tough response

It dismissed the new ruling as "absolutely unlawful and provocative" and threatened harsh but unspecified retaliation if Russian property is seized by the United States in the dispute, though there was no immediate indication that would occur.

The Schneerson Collection texts are held in Russian state libraries and archives and have been the subject of a legal and diplomatic tug-of-war since before the 1991 Soviet collapse.

Some of them had been seized by Hitler's forces as they pushed eastward during World War Two and then confiscated by the Soviet Union as it drove the Germans back.

"The American authorities, we hope, understand that if Russian state property not protected by diplomatic immunity is seized by the United States ... we will be forced to take tough measures in response," the Russian statement said.

The language was similar to that Russia used in threats last year to retaliate if the United States adopted a law to punish alleged Russian human rights violators by denying them US visas and seizing their assets in the United States.

President Barack Obama signed that law, known as the Magnitsky Act, in December. The Kremlin-controlled Russian parliament swiftly responded with a law imposing similar measures on Americans and banning adoptions.

  • fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-18 14:08

    Russia is again showing the difference between vassal states and independent states.

      duncan.gill1 - 2013-01-18 15:05

      Hear Hear!If the yanks want another cold war..they surely will get it!Only they will be the losers as a result!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-18 15:44

      The US has shown a level of arrogance and contemptuousness for the rest of the world that has been sickening. I'm glad that at last there is a power/s that is capable of holding a finger towards America!

      diana.gill.18 - 2013-01-18 15:48

      Fidel, where is your comment about the Yanks being deluded by their power? Someone out there doesnt like the truth. But i'd rather say the were drunk with power and now having serious hangover.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-18 17:08

      Fidel, ""The US has shown a level of arrogance and contemptuousness for the rest of the world that has been sickening. I'm glad that at last there is a power/s that is capable of holding a finger towards America!"" As usual, your comment is total ludicrous, and plain absurd. You ONLY use this platform to spew out, your silly and childish HATRED for ANYTHING Western !! If you were living in Georgia, 'maybe' such crappy comment would have some relevance, but coming from someone in Africa, it smacks on arrogance and stupidity!! The USA invests BILLIONS in Africa !!! Russia=======================================NILL The USA creates, direct and indirect, "hundreds of thousands" of JOBS in Africa Russia==========================================================NILL The USA saves yearly MILLIONS of African lives, through emergency aid food programs. Russia================================still has to bring its first plate of food!!!! The USA, saves yearly MILLIONS of African lives through aid programs for hiv-aids sufferers and programs to combat malaria!! Russia still has to send its first free Disprin to Africa!!! Ohhhh, but Russia does at least 'something' in Africa; It SELLS::: Rifles, Tanks, Missiles, Hand granades, and all kinds of Military hardware, so Africans can kill each other !!!!!

      BacchusZA - 2013-01-18 18:14

      If an American judge displays "arrogance and contemptuousness" by ordering the documents be returned, how much more arrogant and contemptuous are the Russians? The documents in question are private property, not Russian state property. They were STOLEN by the Russian state, and they must be returned to the rightful owners, either the Chabad movement, or the Schneerson family. That the Russian government is claiming ownership is an obscene joke, given their history of persecution of Jews, and the Chabad movement in particular.

      duncan.gill1 - 2013-01-18 18:31

      @anthony..... please people be so kind as to Google what this idiot has said so that ,once and for all you all can know what a lying blustering fool he really is!

      Jo - 2013-01-18 18:37

      @Anthony. Best comment EVER! Nicely put dude.

      mike.down.5492 - 2013-01-18 19:47

      Awesome Anthony just say it as it is , the truth hurts, Russians only contribute weapons to Africa and just look at their relationship with Syria, disgusting nation of criminals, mafia and warlords.

      Glen.E.Huysamer - 2013-01-18 21:40

      The once great Russia, now so down and out and scared it has resorted to jailing little teenage girl punk bands as a matter of state security. How great they once were, now they have Putin. Pewh......?

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-18 22:59

      African Caucasians can never understand the role that the Land of the Russ has played in the liberation and psyche of Africans. YOUR delusion is understandable. BaccshuZ, the US courts have no power do demand anything from Russia. I have no further interest to engage the ensuing fools!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-18 23:21

      Glen, the Russians, like the Chinese have studied history and have learned how seemingly innocent Pop groups and not so non governmental NGOs and local opposition parties have been funded and helped by the US so called AID agencies to create instability in those countries. People are not as stupid and naive as you are! Study the history of contras!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-19 00:00

      @Retired Anthony A bit of brief historical education for you, and only you! You said Russia has NEVER done anything for Africans. Russia has been unable to invest in Africa because: 1) It was never part of the scramble for Africa band of thieves during slavery and colonialism, therefore has had no economic links with Africa. (Europe has a 500 year head start) and Russia has never projected its political ambitions outside of Eastern Europe( why would it do, it is almost self sufficient, unlike western Europe). 2) It was sidelined by the west(during the cold war, 1945-1989) from having business relations with the African/ South American continent because the west had installed pliable dictators after independence during the 1950s to 1980s who were beholden to western powers and interests. 3) Russia was struggling after the fall of the Soviet Union and had to build that country first, which is steadily assuming its rightful place amongst nations. 4) You are TOO STUPID to realise that intl relations is about access to markets and resources and the west had shut the African market by supporting and protecting pliable dictators in Africa who were/are beholden to western interests. Again, Russia doesn't owe Africa anything other than its friendship and camaraderie. I don't know why I persist in trying to talk international relations to you, otherwise known as geo politics. You are the most ignorant stupid ranter on these threads. Now try and counter my argument.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-19 06:55

      Fidel, ""@Retired Anthony A bit of brief historical education for you, and only you! "" Here is our resident historicus, getting rid of some more utter BS, And of course, it would not be Fidel, another load of insults!! 1) and 2) You go and tell this crap to millions and millions of Africans, who are unemployed, and want to earn money so they can provide for their families, and send their kids to school, so that they can have a better future than their parents. You go and tell this claptrap to millions and millions of hungry Africans, and millions and millions of sick Africans; 'NO, we can't help you yet, because Europe had a "500 year headstart" ' It is not surprising, that you leftists lunatics can't get more support in Africa , tha a mere 5 % !!!!!!! 3) ' Now listen here, you millions of starving Africans, and to those millions who are dying from various ilnesses ; We know you are there, and we think of you, lots !!, but we first have to catch up with the Western world; to have the best rockets, the best missiles, the best gunship helicopters, and have to spend at the very least, as much as the west, on space programs!!!!!!!! BUT........once we are better, we PROMISE, PROMISE, to bring you some food, and a whole box full of medicine, because, WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, WE CARE FOR AFRICA, WE CARE FOR AFRICANS !!!!!!! 4) Please tell me; WHO are the pliable dictators in Africa, being protected by the USA.????????????

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-19 07:06

      Fidel, You should stick your 'international politics, aka geo politics' , up your, cause thats where they belong !!! You are a MASTER of CONFUSING, with loads and loads of irrelevant CRAP and BS It is soooo easy for you, to type all this calptrap, in the comfort of your home!! Your belly full, and if there is a little craving go to your fridge, and if you need to stock up on some delicious food, go to the super market, around the corner, and fill up your trolly,and when you got a pain in your toe, you go to the doctor accross the road, and if at night you hear just a tiny sqeeck, you phone the cops. With that lifestyle. it is soooooooo easy to forget the MILLIONS in Africa, who are HUNGRY and SICK !!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-19 08:34

      Your whole post is a waste of time, filled with narrative over substance. Unfortunately paper has never refused ink! If Africa is a "scar on the conscience of the world", as Tony Blair once said, then it is because it has been plundered, and continues to be plundered by western governments and their corporations. The conscience masturbation that is Western AID has been utterly corrosive of African states, reducing the population to a state of dependency. But Russia doesn't see Africa as a basket case. Russia doesn't owe Africa anything, it's support to the liberation movement was enough to give Africans their dignity, belief and pride to fight back against your western masters. Africa will forever be grateful to Russia for this!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-19 09:46

      Fidel, EVERTHING is a 'waste of time' if it opposes our resident historicus, with ALL her irrelevant statistics and not to forget ALL those 'interesting' quotes!!! But as usually, you don't know what you are talking about !!! You, got yourself BRAINWASHED, with some outdated , half baked communist bullsh.t. Let me tell you again, and this time slowly; AFRICA HAS NO APPETITE FOR YOUR RADIACLISM AND EXTREMISM!!! Show me ANYWHERE in Africa where more than 5 % of the population supports your views!!! ----------------------------------NOWHERE !!!!!!!------------------------ SO , WHO ARE YOU , to impose this BS onto others !!!!! Russia....."it support of the liberation movement was ""enough" !!!!! Don't be so paththic, Grow up !! First of all , you make up your own version of the liberation struggle, the one that suits you !! You, deliberately , blow out of proportion, the influence Russia had in getting MAJORITY rule in SA. ( The same system, you deny just about everybody else in the world )!!! Russia supplied ,and today still does, with arms, so Africans can kill each other !!!! 'Canada' had more influence than Russia, in getting rid of apartheid. Go and tell your LIES to your leftits buddies, they are the ones who love to be entertained by you. Rather go and support the SCUM OF THIS WORLD, you so much admire : mugabe, gaddafi, assad, ahmadinejad, chavez, Kim-jong-Un, and not to forget, this modern day DICTATOR Putin !! YOU CLOWN !!!!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-19 10:16

      Fidel, WHO are the pliable dictators in Africa, being protected by the USA.???????????? Don't also be a COWARD !!! WHO are they ??????????????????? Or is this some more BS , you just suck out of your thumb, to make a comment, which is full of LIES AND UNTRUTHS

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-19 12:56

      I do not counter rhetoric. I recognise futility in conversing with you, so sue me that your head is stuck so far up your azz!

  • diana.gill.18 - 2013-01-18 15:36

    Only after the Yanks agree to return all items of fine art which used to belong to the Russian royal family and now in possession of private collectors.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2013-01-18 19:02

    I would imagine lets say the Egyptians putting a claim against world's famous historical museums over some artifacts which belong to the era of pharaohs. Makes as much sense.

  • godwin.symons - 2013-01-18 21:11

    Anthonyfromafrica. You are obviously a terribly blinded, ignorant and arrogant idiot completely swayed by USA and what they supposed to be doing to the rest of the world. The truth that you don't see is; the USA does give a little help to this and that country. In exchange, they expect the country to be a springboard for the USA to further their interests, mostly military! For their intended WORLD DOMINATION. Under this system, the world will be totally held at ransom and the population will be be horifically oppressed to allow the USA to keep this position. I have a suggestion for you anthonyfromafrica- Keep your twat mouth shut and if you make a comment, keep it as balanced as possible. In other words, become a bit more knowledgeable on matters of international nature. As a point to ponder. If it were not for the Russians creating a balance of power in the Middel East, the USA would, by now have a blistering war in that reagon, why? Only to gain control, regardless of how many lives that would be slaughtered by the yanks.

      duncan.gill1 - 2013-01-18 23:04

      At last some sanity prevails..thank you for this it's just strange how some people will club together because of some common political leanings and from that moment they completely ignore anything that might be middle road cause it disturbs their procrastinations about whatever dogmatic cause they aspire to.All this seems to point to mankind having the inability to learn from past mistakes,or to embrace reasonable arguments!As a result we will always be this camp against that camp until conflict and the resulting aggression on and so forth until even reasonable people lose hope..radicalism follows..and justification for murder follows...We have learned nothing surely a final and all encompassing calamity will follow...such folly it hurts!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-18 23:06

      There is a commentor who described this supposedly retired imbecile (Anthony) in an easy way that I would never have been able to parse. "There will always be those idiots that spew rhetoric without looking at hard facts. Hence commentators like Anthony et al." Enough said!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-19 05:54

      Fidel, Sh.t, did I touch one of your nerves!! Sorry !

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-19 06:14

      Godwin, Mr Professor of International Relations; YOU don't know what the heck you are talking about !!! 'World domination'...'balance of power'..!!!!!! What garbage!! The USA , every single day, has LESS intertest in the ME. Right or wrong, that is how it is. Like with Libya, Syria has no strayegic importance to them. End of story !!! It are the Russians who have an interest in Syria! Syria is a great customer for their number one, and just about only export; military hardware!! 95 % of all rifles, amunition, rockets, missiles, tanks, etc, and 100 % of all air power is Russian made!! And when eventually this assad monster is hanging from a tree, the Russians will make a deal with the next government, to keep their naval base there. What more do they want ??????????????????? And in the meantime, instead of insulting me, GROW UP!!! Stop watching these commic shows on RT !!!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-19 08:47

      I've just ruminated on what you wrote. I've decided it was rubbish!

  • Philip - 2013-01-19 05:54

    Russia is just a country full of belligerent brain washed drunks. The USA is not intimidated by their threats. GFYS Putin!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-19 07:58

      So is Russia!

      diana.gill.18 - 2013-01-19 10:09

      All you yanks simply used to not being intimidated by anyone, instead you were playing a big bully boy on an international playground. Times are changing, sorry. You better start watching your budget money.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-19 13:11

      When you feel tempted to condemn Russians for their brainwashing, I think you should feel pity for Americans first. They have undergone the most extensive campaign of brainwashing of any people in history. It's been going on for 30+ years, non-stop, at a cost of hundreds of billions of advertising dollars. America has the highest percentage of brainwashed people in the world. Now add 40 years to arrogance and brainwashed and you get an overwhelming culture of stupidity. When you have 200 millions of such poor souls, they constitutes an infinite supply of ready-made fools like yourself. They have been so brainwashed as to be like cabbages, as long as Disney land, the Super Bowl and McDonalds keeps going, all is well.

      diana.gill.18 - 2013-01-19 13:25

      Fidel leave this loser alone. Those guys think they have won the WWII, anything else to add?

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