'No mistake' with Gaza family strike

2012-11-27 22:44

Jerusalem - There was "no mistake" in an Israeli air strike that killed 12 Palestinians in Gaza, including 10 from the same family, the Israeli army said on Tuesday, saying the raid targeted a "terror operative".

The 18 November strike, in the middle of a conflict between Israel and Palestinian militant groups in Gaza, hit the home of the Dallu family, killing 10 of its members, and two neighbours, including five children and five women.

Mohammed Jamal al-Dallu, 29, a member of the Hamas police unit charged with protecting important people, was also killed in the strike, and the Israeli army said on Tuesday that he was the target of the raid.

"The father was a known terror operative affiliated with the military wing of Hamas," army spokesperson Avital Leibovich told AFP.

"There was no mistake from the IDF. It's tragic when a terror operative is hiding among civilians but unfortunately it is part of Hamas and Islamic Jihad tactics," she added.

The military originally said the strike had targeted a Hamas member responsible for firing rockets into Israel, Yehia Rabea, without saying whether he was inside the Dallu building.

But it subsequently declined to comment, before on Tuesday saying that Mohammed al-Dallu had in fact been the target.

The raid attracted significant media attention both domestically and internationally, with observers particularly shocked by the deaths of several children.

At least 166 Palestinians, mostly civilians, were killed during the eight-day conflict, according to health officials in Gaza.

Six Israelis were killed, four civilians and two soldiers, according to Israeli police and the army.

  • lisa.brink1 - 2012-11-27 23:57

    Thank you, Joshua, for that affirmation. Sadly, readers rarely stop to consider an obvious press bias, and make a judgement call based on the 'facts' presented to them. Case in point is the chosen visual for this article which was captured by Mohammed Abed. (I'm guessing he didn't have a barmitzvah.) Instead of this heart-wrenching picture, why not show a photograph of the billboards erected in Gaza today, thanking Iran for providing Hamas with the long range rockets that hit Tel Aviv? I'm guessing that ain't going to happen.

      neilgordo - 2012-11-28 08:24

      Probably a Hamas quassam rocket that caused a hole in the blackboard anyway.. Israeli rockets would've flattened the place - 2012-11-28 15:11

      Hamas's use of women and children who are their own is the sickest form of war crime I have ever seen. War fanatics in addition to being religious while believing death is a good thing; Hamas and other Islamic terrorist groups are the most dangerous – to their own

  • kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-11-28 00:38

    5 women and 5 children... No words, only tears.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-28 10:28

      True, and 100% blame for Hamas.

  • ali.asgar.58323 - 2012-11-28 00:39

    Hamas has full right to hit their civilians to serve as a deterrent.

      joshua.mcallister.75 - 2012-11-28 01:47

      So you are saying that Hamas has the right to murder their own people by turning them into human shields?! Wow, I hope you aren't a politician.

      magnus.j.vanvuuren - 2012-11-28 08:44

      Ali that is by far the dumbest thing i have ever read on news24 your IQ must be a total of nothing, zero, zip it is a fathers duty to fight for his family but also not put them in harms way if you want to f*ck with israel do if far away from your family... yes i feel sorry for the woman and children, but this falls squarely on hammas

      cleve.fletcher - 2012-11-28 14:13

      @ali.asgar.58323: Am I understanding you correctly here? That you are saying it's ok for Hamas to kill it's own people as a deterrent? If my understanding is correct, this has got to be the most spine-chilling statement I have ever heard on these forums. It goes against the grain of all and every civilised norm, it goes against the most fundamental concepts of human decency. I truly am appalled.

      cleve.fletcher - 2012-11-28 14:15

      @ali.asgar.58323: And of course what would be interesting would be your response to this notion if your wife and children were part of the human shield against the Israelis.

  • piet.boerie - 2012-11-28 04:50

    Women and children and families are blowback and its acceptable? Are you mad. Really. Ok so: What would you do when some one shoots missiles at your house? What would you do if some one stole your house? Can only come from the same animal that bought us shock and awe and sold it as liberation. Terror is terror whether strapped to your body or delivered by US techology. 99% of all Israelis and Palestinians want peace but the political classes keep us apart. As for Lisa.brink1 you are not bright. The latest round of rocket fire started after Israel assisnated Jabari who is a negoiator. Dumnb ass.

      Gorden Norman - 2012-11-28 05:01

      I would have to put my head between my legs and kiss my behind good bye LOL

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-28 05:47

      The latest round of rocket fire started after Israel assisnated Jabari who is a negoiator. And the 1st round started when?....

      Gorden Norman - 2012-11-28 05:58

      Wait a minute it all started with a rocket attack on an IDF jeep how quick that was forgotten.

      lisa.brink1 - 2012-11-28 07:11

      Piet, you call Jabari a 'negotiator', and then you accuse me of not being bright? Jabari was the Commander of Hamas's Military and was responsible for planning multiple attacks on Israel including the bombing of a school bus that killed 2 children. He also masterminded the kidnap of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit who was imprisoned in a cell underground for over 5 years.As for the comment the rocket fire started after the assassination, WRONG again. Hamas have been firing hundreds of rockets into Israel for months and, as Gorden pointed out, hit an Israeli jeep and badly wounded 4 soldiers weeks before this latest uprising. Trust more than News24 or Al Jazeera as your news source.

  • michael.taylorw - 2012-11-28 05:03

    Some perspective on pallywood:

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  • Sibusiso - 2012-11-28 06:51

    Israel thrives on murder!

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-28 09:17

      Sbu, what country have Israel attacked first?

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-28 10:32

      Dear Sibusiso Israeli self defence is no crime! Hamas rockets at civilians to get Israel to attack them, is a crime.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-11-28 06:54

    Israel uses murder as its first weapon of choice when it comes to dealing with its enemies.They are known to be very efficient at that.If,for instance, u are a public figure and u disagree with Israel ,they murder u.

      Gorden Norman - 2012-11-28 07:15

      I may be wrong but is that not the object of war. Oh wait maybe it is kissing behinds

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 07:38

      "Israel uses murder as its first weapon of choice when it comes to dealing with its enemies". Thanks for that important piece of information. So does every other country in the world (and Hamas)!

  • peanutcluster - 2012-11-28 07:14

    The Israeli bloodlust is insatiable! 27 Palestinians for every 1 Israeli. That's what the IDF think of Palestinian lives! When will the Jewish settlers from Eastern Europe realise that killing Palestinian women and children is only going make the Palestinians more determined to rid Palestine of the colonists!

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 07:41

      "27 Palestinians for every 1 Israeli." Evidence that the Iron Dome is a magnificent, highly efficient protection system. What would you suggest - that they switch it off until the Palestinians had caught up a bit?

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-28 09:21

      peanut, and the moment Hammas stop hiding behind the skirts of woman, that percentage will change. Funny how some people forget some basic detail when they are trying to make a point

      cleve.fletcher - 2012-11-28 10:01

      @hein.huyser: Or they're just plain bloody stupid.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-28 10:36

      That's not Israel's ratio of 27 - 1 Hamas stated that the Israeli soldier is worth one thousand Hamas terrorists just last year when Gilad Shalit was swooped for one thousand Hamas terrorists.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 07:31

    Air bombardment is state terrorism, the terrorism of the rich. It has burned up and blasted apart more innocent civilians in the past six decades than have all the "terrorist" groups who ever lived. This is Zionist state terrorism at its most naked and contemptible!

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 07:52

      "Air bombardment is state terrorism, the terrorism of the rich." So is firing rockets into populated areas from the ground. At least the air raids are highly accurate in targeting terrorists' hiding places. Rockets from the ground are not selective at all in avoiding civilians as far as possible.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 08:02

      I make no distinction between "terrorists" who have an air force and sophisticated missile delivery systems and those who deliver their bombs by strapping the bombs onto their bodies. The situation can be rectified simply by providing Hamas with cruise missiles, supersonic fighters, etc, so they can do unto Israelis what the Israelis do unto Gazans. The prospect is admittedly appalling, so perhaps you should not be too critical of Hamas for their inadequate inaccurate technology?

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 08:59

      "perhaps you should not be too critical of Hamas for their inadequate inaccurate technology?" I wasn't. You were ("Air bombardment is state terrorism") - indirectly referring to Hamas' lack of the same technology. Killing is killing, regardless of ground/air offensives. Don't pretend that the one method is different from the other. The best defence is a blow harder than the last one you've received yourself, because it will make your opponent think twice before striking again (although Hamas seem to lack that thinking ability - perhaps on purpose in an attempt to get the world's sympathy). Provide Hamas with cruise missiles and supersonic fighters and you'll start WWIII. Then 'innocent civilians' will enter a totally new dimension.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 09:19

      "Killing is killing, Don't pretend that the one method is different from the other." Indeed, which is why I make no distinction between the two, and can correctly label Israeli bombing as terrorism. "At least the air raids are highly accurate in targeting terrorists' hiding places." As compared to what, hence my argument of you being critical of Hamas' wayward rockets? So what's your suggestion to avoiding WW111, as the status quo is unsustainable for both sides?

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 09:53

      "So what's your suggestion to avoiding WW111" I don't have a resolution for this very complicated issue, fidel. I just know it's very unlikely that Israel will fire rockets into Hamas' hiding places other than answering Hamas' rockets entering Israel. So, as long as Hamas refrain from doing that the Gaza's citizens will be safe. In the mean time anyone should realise that Hamas' weapon suppliers are openly supporting a few terrorist organisations in the Gaza's military actions against a sovereign country - and condemn that to the highest degree. One thing is certain: Israel will not be forced into submission to anything or anyone by means of rockets and bombs. They are way too proud a nation, hardened by centuries of tribulation and genocides on their citizens too horrifying to comprehend.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 10:01

      It is greatly to Iran's credit that it helps the Palestinian resistance movements like Hamas and Hezbollah. There are some easy dismissals of your obdurate allegiance to Israeli policy. 1) Israel is occupying and illegally colonising other peoples lands. (Not including the pre-1967 legal territory) 2) Israel is in control of the occupied lands and its people. 3) Israeli policy towards the Occupied is brutally oppressive. Israel continues to take land, continues to displace people both in the OT and in Israel in favour of Israeli settlers. Hamas aren't occupying Israeli territory. Hamas was created by Israeli policy. Israel has to stop this expansionist attitude and agree to live within the 1967 borders. This has been set out in UN resolution after UN resolution and has been accepted by the Arab League as a basis of any future peace agreement. The Arabs have accepted that Israel isn't going anywhere, isn't it time that Israel accepted that neither are the Palestinians?

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 10:19

      "Israel is occupying and illegally colonising other peoples lands." "Israel is in control of the occupied lands and its people" Depends on how far you go back. If you go back to Biblical times, the the followowing countries must give back Isreal's terrotory, amongst others: Jordan, Lebanon, Siria, Egypt (the Sinai area). Now won't that please Israel... "Israeli policy towards the Occupied is brutally oppressive." Two wrongs don't make a right here, but this is a worldwide trend in just about every nation on earth. Aborigines are shoved into reserves by the Ausies, Indians the same in the USA (after being hunted down to the brink of extinction), lighter Indians in India look down on their darker versions, the Bushmen were kicked out of Botswana and had to be accomodated by SA, Tutsis and Hutus murder each other in the same country, Tsvangirai and Mugabe can't stand each other in Zim (not to mention what had happened to the whites there). The ANC wants to make the Western Cape ungovernable because a white woman is embarrassing them with good governance against all odds. It just seems to be a worldwide thing. So, what's your point exactly?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 10:36

      "So, what's your point exactly?" Sorry, Israel missed the colonialism boat by about a hundred years. The colonisation of others' land is not lawful now. 1948 is just as fine, there's no need to go back to biblical times. Israel has to stop this expansionist attitude and agree to live within the 1967 borders!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 10:43

      By the way Israel colonisation is ongoing in the West Bank, where Arab families are being chased away from their homes by Zionist settlers as we speak today. It's not something that happened in the 1800s. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere and their resistance has been brave and admirable, especially to those who have been at the receiving end of oppression and disenfranchisement!

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 10:56

      "Israel has to stop this expansionist attitude and agree to live within the 1967 borders!" Israel had to invade the Gaza strip in order to stop rockets being fired into their cities from there. They were ready to do so again a few days ago and if it wasn't for pleas from the international community, they would have done so - with dire consequences to innocent Palestineans.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 11:13

      "More than ever, we need a negotiated two-state solution ending the occupation and the conflict," he said at the inauguration of a new centre for interreligious dialogue in Vienna. -Ban Kin Moon Who is occupying who, and should those living under this occupation accept this. Don't try and compartmentalise Palestinians between those living under occupation and not as all of them have to bare the brunt. Would you accept foreign occupation?

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-28 07:45

    @ Lisa the LIEING MAGGOT"Ahmed Jabari was a subcontractor, in charge of maintaining Israel's security in Gaza. This title will no doubt sound absurd to anyone who in the past several hours has heard Jabari described as "an arch-terrorist," "the terror chief of staff" or "our Bin Laden." "But that was the reality for the past five and a half years. Israel demanded of Hamas that it observe the truce in the south and enforce it on the multiplicity of armed organizations in the Gaza Strip. The man responsible for carrying out this policy was Ahmed Jabari. "In return for enforcing the quiet, which was never perfect, Israel funded the Hamas regime through the flow of shekels in armoured trucks to banks in Gaza, and continued to supply infrastructure and medical services to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip. Jabari was also Israel's partner in the negotiations for the release of Gilad Shalit; it was he who ensured the captive soldier's welfare and safety, and it was he who saw to Shalit's return home last fall."

  • tracy.theron.33 - 2012-11-28 08:44

    You know what it so sad, it that the divide between the Palestinians and Israel is actually reflected worldwide. People have chosen sides, which you can see clearly through most the comments here. Although I am pleased to see News24 doesn't have the same one sided policies like the American news outlets. Lisa - shame on you! You should really read up on this conflict alot more before you say something so one sided and stupid. While nobody in their right mind could state that Hamas is innocent, Israel's behavior is disgusting - Anyone with even the slight amount of intelligence can see that Gaza is a open prison. Just reading Israel's policies towards the Palestinians - anyone from South Africa should be horribly reminded of apartheid. You do not kill INNOCENT 5 women & children just to take out 1 man, you DO NOT drop phosphorous bombs on civilians (which by the way is a war crime) like Israel did in the 2008 war. You DO NOT imprison & torture children - which is documented by Defence for Children International (In Israel it is 100% legal to imprison a Palestinian child as young as 12, they can be held in jail without having formal charges against them for up to 188 days). In Israel, Jews and Palestinians are labeled from birth and treated differently throughout their lives. They have unequal access to social and economic privileges including land, education, employment and social welfare.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 09:02

      The apartheid in Israel is pervasive and systematic and is not only limited to the Arab Israelis, but to the Sephardic Jews as well, the dark skinned Semites who look like Arabs, as opposed to the blond blue eyed Eastern Europeans.

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-28 09:38

      tracy, maybe we need to take in all of Zim's children and poor, and while we are at it, invite Moz to do the same. After all, they are a result of poor socialist agendas, very much like the people from Palestine area are a result of Islam agenda against Israel. The political arena in the Middle East will always, like from what we read in the Biblical re ords, be against tjose for God, and those against God. Those duped with false information or selective information, and those who can see the difference. If you talk to any Muslim, he will not advocate the instruction from his holy book to kill all those who do not believe like they do, but only project them as moderate peace loving religious people. Why do they have a policy to silently invade a country, and before long you have a religious war on your hands? Any and all countries that have allowed Islam to invade them now have religious tentions They are not as innocent as what the pro-Islam media make them out to be, and by this, I do not say that everything Israel do is above board and acceptable.

      tasneem.basardien - 2012-11-28 10:16

      Thank you for this comment Tracey. Finally someone who is seeing all of this as more than just a religious war. Everyone who comments and sides with Israel clearly does not understand the concept of humanity. Christian , Jewish or Muslim, we are all human beings and people do not deserve to die because of ignorance and greed!

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 10:34

      "In Israel, Jews and Palestinians are labeled from birth and treated differently throughout their lives. They have unequal access to social and economic privileges including land, education, employment and social welfare." So it does in South Africa. There's 'Race' on just about any document you need to fill in. Why? The lines in terms of privileges are not solid yet, but a few people are working hard on that. Take for example the suggestion from our politicians that all charity to welfare organisations containing even one white person be stopped. And BEE. And AA. And special taxes on a certain section of society to pay back the 'disadvataged' for damages done. The ANC must be taking tips from the Jews at quite a scale...

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 11:03

      "And special taxes on a certain section of society to pay back the 'disadvataged' for damages done." It is the moral thing to do. Germany is still paying billions of Euros in reparations to Israel today and in technological transfers. What should have happened is something along the lines of what happened when East and west Germany reunified, even though West Germany had no obligation to pay for the development of the East. In South Africa, certain sectors of the population do have this moral obligation and this sacrifice should have been made known to all sectors of society and accepted in a nationalistic spirit. But this didn't happen. (I doubt if the ANC would have been able to do anything productive with this reparation fund)

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 11:43

      "It is the moral thing to do." You see, we can always justify oppression of any part of society to satisfy our own beliefs. 'Correction' (IMHO) should have come by the whites extensively training our blacks in all levels of society, preparing them for positions they're not experienced in. In most cases (not all) experience was rather kicked out based on skin colour, with poor blacks being totally overwhelmed by the lack of experience and ignorance. Injustice to the extreme. Schools should have been built and teachers trained at a huge scale instead of doubling/tripling current class sizes, lowering individual attention given to pupils by the same amount. Aspirant government and municipal officials should have been sent on an extensive 3-year managerial degree before setting their feet in any office, followed by shared responsibilities with experienced managers regardless of skin colour. Previously disadvantaged students should have been heavily sunsidised ON THE CONDITION that they've qualified for matric exemption (before lowering the pass rates of some subjects of to 25%). Do I need to keep going? That is what I call Affirmative Action!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 11:50

      There isn't a single point in your statement that I do not agree with! It's humbling to hear a fellow South African from the "other sector of society" being so positive about what should have happened in this country. Imagine if both Israelis and Palestinians could reach this level of honesty and understanding.

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 12:01

      "There isn't a single point in your statement that I do not agree with!" Great stuff! As far as the Gaza goes - I sincerely believe that the Palestinian leaders and the Israel government can sort out their differences in time, but Hamas and a few other terrorist organisations are doing their best to prevent that from happening for personal reasons (i.e. an objective to force Israel out of their own country, which will NEVER happen).

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-28 12:15

      There are extremists on both sides. The Zionist right wingers (Likud) in Israel want to establish a biblical Eretz Israel, stretching from the "Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates”, that means no Palestinian state. I am sure Hamas would try to destroy the Rastafarian State if they were the enemy. There is no shortage of blame to go around, the same can't be said for objectivity.

  • ali.asgar.58323 - 2012-11-28 09:53

    Make no mistake. Hamas has every right to hit Israeli civilians. This is the balance of terror. Israel is weaker than a spiders house.

  • ali.asgar.58323 - 2012-11-28 09:53

    Make no mistake. Hamas has every right to hit Israeli civilians. This is the balance of terror. Israel is weaker than a spiders house.

      tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-28 10:42

      "Israel is weaker than a spiders house." Exactly the thoughts of many nations over the last 6,000 years. And they had to eat those words time and again.

  • zain.beg.9 - 2012-11-28 10:22

    So here in SA, the Aparthied regime should of taken out Madibas whole family, and they would reported today that there is no regrets as he was labelled a terrorist all because he was fighting for his rights and his. people!!! Isrehell has started this round of terrorist attacks on Ghaza by killing a young boy playing soccer and when Ghaza retaliated on isreals soldiers then this was Isreals que to attack and murder innocent people.aghhh yo can stop with the Gaza 'terrorists' hiding behind civillians...same as the international journalist that were "terrorists" The only terrorists here are the idf... By the way a war is when two ARMIES fight Ech other and they are sort of equal in arms etc not where an opreesivr nation attacks and opressed nation with weapons given to them by the the iron dome

  • higgs.boson.5036 - 2012-11-28 15:30

    Oh, you people are so full of crap. Why do you not say ANYTHING about the THOUSANDS of innocent civilians killed in South Africa on a yearly basis???? No, we have to go comment on some other country's problems so we can forget about our own. Fukkin idiots

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