Syria: Plans made for worst-case scenarios

2012-08-11 22:09

Istanbul - US secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton and Turkey's foreign minister said on Saturday that their countries are creating a formal structure to plan for worst-case scenarios in Syria, including a possible chemical weapons attack on regime opponents.

Clinton and foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu said their two nations would set up a working group to respond to the crisis in Syria as conditions there deteriorate. They said the group will coordinate military, intelligence and political responses to the potential fallout in the case of a chemical attack, which would result in medical emergencies and a likely rise in the number of refugees fleeing Syria.

"We have been closely co-ordinating over the course of this conflict, but now we need to get into the real details of such operational planning. It needs to be across both of our governments," Clinton said.

She said the US state department and Turkey's foreign ministry had already been working together on the issue but that the new working group would increase the involvement of the intelligence services and militaries of both countries.

Among the contingencies that the US and Turkey agree on the need to plan for is "the horrible event" that chemical weapons are used, Clinton said.

"What would that mean in terms of response, humanitarian and medical emergency assistance and, of course, what needs to be done to secure those stocks from ever being used or falling into the wrong hands?" Clinton said.

In July, Syria's foreign ministry spokesperson threatened the use of chemical and biological weapons in case of a foreign attack, assuring that government would never use them against its own citizens. It was the first acknowledgement that Syria possesses weapons of mass destruction, something that's long been suspected.

  • fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-11 22:56

    Russia should be part of these discussions. Instead the ex-KGB officer Putin prefers to hang out with other autocrats and thugs.

      imam.madi.129 - 2012-08-11 23:23

      Progressive people would feel good with the ex KGB Officer than current MI6 or CIA on their side. Infact, we feel we are on the right side of history as long as we still get criticism from them. The day Putin sees eye to eye with Obama and his terrorist lovers and crusaders, I would know he has sold out, nothing in between. No to crusades and yes to freedom without bombs and encouragement of terrorism. As for Turkey, tell them to give Kurds a basic right to speak Kurdish without threats of jail or violence, and ask them to apologise for the Armenian genocide first before we can take them seriously.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 02:26

      Imam, unfortunately the distorting beliefs you're choosing to hold put you far from being a "progressive person". You'd be the first progressive person in history who openly supports autocratic regimes and unelected dictators. In addition, you only have authority to speak for yourself (and based on the self-promoting you're doing, your Ego). The ex-KGB officer Putin, who slants elections in his favor and controls Russian media, is head of the Russian state. MI6 and the CIA are arms of the democratically elected British and American governments. There's a big difference. Putin is arming the unelected Syrian dictator, who was handed power by his father and who is in control of the Syrian state and its military. The Syrian dictator is using these in a futile attempt to terrorize the Syrian people into allowing him to continue being head of state. He has killed, detained, tortured and had raped tens of thousands of Syrians and their families. Your delusional beliefs are distorting reality, unwittingly leading you to support dictators and autocrats. All the while innocent Muslims are literally being slaughtered in front of your very eyes, and you can't see this. As to Turkey, no country is perfect. At least it has the script right here. You should be applauding, not undermining it. I understand you can't see this right now, having effectively blinded yourself.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-08-12 05:25

      Iman, Sad, how some abuse their own freedom, the same they deny others !!

      msimelelo.m - 2012-08-12 07:50

      Fred Fraser, you watch too much western gov controlled media! This type of media only has one side and that's to progress western ideologies and brain wash us into believing these crusades are good for other countries. Remember the Houla massacre? The west blamed assad for it saying \he killed all those 100 civilians\. But closer investigations found that over 90% of the dead had head shot wounds from the back at close range. Can army tanks shoot this accurate? Why would assad execute women and children? That is classic terrorist/al quada way of killing! U.S and Britian are aiding terrorists here it is clear and use their monopoly on the world media to aide them in promoting propaganda to gain support of another invasion. After Syria Iran is next on the chopping block, Obama is just waiting to make sure his 2nd term is secure. Then its full steam ahead!!

      sansagain.sansagain - 2012-08-12 08:37

      fred you can get your 50 bucks for this comment . Write more

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-08-12 08:44

      Msimelelo, Don't let some radicals pull the wool over your eyes, with their silly and childish anti Western crap, and talk all this BS about the Western media. Firstly , read the articles here on, and than watch, CNN, SKY NEWS, BBC, and you will have a pretty good idea what is happening in the world. You want to brake it with some entertainment, than , sure, watch half hour of an RT comedy show. And if you enjoy games, than spend an hour going to some conspiracy sites, there are millions of them, so you can pick out , which ones are most fun. But, what is most strange, someone coming from a country, SA, who had its own struggle to get rid of a minority regime, does not want others to have the same. Ever wondered why the Nats, did not want Black South Africans to vote ?? It is the same reason, these assad terrorists have not had elections, in FIFTY YEARS !!!

      imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-08-12 09:03

      CNN, BBC, SKY NEWS are comedy shows its the media wing of the western army

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 09:06

      All the while hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims are being slaughtered or maimed by unelected dictators and Jihadists. What is Imtiaz doing about this? Nothing. Blaming the West and Western media.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 09:19

      Msimelo, hello. Here is my response. Firstly who is us? I think you mean you. You don't have authority to speak for anyone else. And I hope you don't think you are everyone. Secondly, the Houla massacre was carried out by the Shabia, Assad's black-hooded militia. Multiple villagers interviewed on video said this. Thirdly, the Christian Crusades happened centuries ago. They were brutal and shocking, about as ungodly as anything could be. Unfortunately the Islamic Fundamentalist crusade is happening right now, in 2012. It is equally brutal, shocking, and ungodly as its predecessor. The current crusade is reflecting to Muslims the core devaluing of human life that is central to Islamic belief. As with the Jewish people, to whom Hitler was reflecting the abhorrent superior-race core belief, also central to the Jewish faith, Muslims are being called to change this devaluing belief, and to value human life as the gift it truly is. Thirdly, the idea that the West is aiding Al-Quaida is ridiculous, no offense. This would be a sure way of being impeached for any US or Western leader. They'd be out the door within two weeks. And they know it. The US and Britain have a monopoly on world media? What does that mean. The US and British governments? Obviously not. Assad is using the Syrian people's own army against them, much like the Apartheid regime tried to do with the South African army and failed. Assad will fail too. See below for who the Iranian regime truly is.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 09:21

      The Iranian regime adjusts elections to hold onto power. It has stolen the Iranian government from the Iranian people. It funds the Jihadist movement that has killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, mainly Muslims in the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere. It is supporting Bashar Assad's brutal oppression of Syrians wanting nothing more than the right to vote. It supports the stoning of women. It openly calls for the elimination of Israel and denies the Holocaust, the single biggest attempt at human genocide in human history: six million people exterminated. It is dishonest, highly repressive, and self-serving at the expense of the Iranian people and humanity. It's days are numbered, and it knows this.

      joseph.motloung.3 - 2012-08-12 15:34

      @fred.fraser12 Not surprisingly you twist the facts to advance your own narrow minded propaganda. Russia has stated clearly on more than one occasion that they support neither side in the conflict, as well as China. Its crazy to put the blame of whats going on in Syria on one side. The UN mediator Mr. Anan called all parties to the negotiating table, the Assad regime accepted the call and pledged to participate but the western imported terrorists refused. The "ex-KGB" officer stated quiet correctly that those who are funding the rebels with guns are fueling the conflict. Clearly the Russian president is committed to ending the conflict in Syria. Your Heroes the west are only interested in regime change

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 16:07

      Sad that you, who has the right to vote in free and fair elections, would deny this to Syrians who are being butchered in their homes by an unelected dictator who has called himself the bloody surgeon of Syria, armed by the neo-Soviet Russian regime that is undemocratic.

      joseph.motloung.3 - 2012-08-13 15:13

      @fred.fraser12 The truth of the matter is that the Syrian people were allowed to express their choice of leadership in the reforms that were introduced by president Assad. And overwhelmingly they decided to retain Mr. Assad as president and even elected a parliament but the western terrorists refuse to respect the will of the Syrian people whom the claim to represent

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-08-12 08:12

    And all the lame ducks can contribute is to jabber !! Obama you self appointed policeman of the world get off your little soap box and DO SOMETHING !! Obama for President of all Peckerwoods !!

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-12 09:24

    Clinton won't be present, come November. The Turkish Foreign Minister is in trouble at home, for having miscalculated and dragged his country into this guaqmire. His politicasl ambitions will be finished once he is fired by the Turkish PM, who has voiced his displeasure about being misled by the Foreign Minister. The Turkish Prime Minister has also made made plans for a "worst" case scenario if Assad survives, and that is to scapegoat his Foreign Minister.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-12 10:21

      An interesting read about how the Turk view the Syrian issue at this momemnt!

  • msimelelo.m - 2012-08-12 09:25

    Anthony the news station you talk of are mostly pro western. only freelance journalists in the thick of the action can actually write the truth. RT news is also spreading false truths just like cnn and the rest of them. weapons of mass destruction, free-ing a people, getting rid of a excess of evil - do these sound familiar? same strategies different countries thats all. while israel sits there with stock piles of nuclear weapons (yet u.s. shuts up). iran are on a peaceful nuclear energy program and yet they are slapped with heavy senctions (and please do not say they are building a nuclear weapon because they are NOT!) ofcouse i want syria to have democracy, but when it is done through force (esp. outside force) it will not work. Has it worked in Iraq/Afghanistan? And I dont even want to get into the Libya story! south Africa had a bloodless change to democracy, but not full democracy that takes time. You cant just bomb a regime then put your puppets in there and expect it to work. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE and history has proven that. - thats my opinion folks!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 09:30

      The Iranian regime adjusts elections to hold onto power. It has stolen the Iranian government from the Iranian people. It funds the Jihadist movement that has killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, mainly Muslims in the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere. It is supporting Bashar Assad's brutal oppression of Syrians wanting nothing more than the right to vote. It supports the stoning of women. It openly calls for the elimination of Israel and denies the Holocaust, the single biggest attempt at human genocide in human history: six million people exterminated. It is dishonest, highly repressive, and self-serving at the expense of the Iranian people and humanity. It's days are numbered, and it knows this.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 09:31

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what is sometimes wrongly called "occupied territories". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-12 09:34

      You are 100% spot on. One cannot speed up historical democratisation using bombs. Surely subject to definition, democracy can be quite different in different regions and especially different cultures.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 09:36

      Freelance journalists are reporting all the time about what is happening in Syria. Their message is consistent: Assad is killing, maiming, detaining, torturing and raping tens of thousands of Syrians and their families in an attempt to dominate them and hold onto power. For eleven months he killed thousands of unarmed Syrians demonstrating FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE with SNIPER-FIRE. You obviously missed all this.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-08-12 10:36

      Msimelelo, ""And I dont even want to get into the Libya story!"" WHY NOT ???? The Libyans have done amazingly well, since that terrorist gaddafi got a lift on the back of a bakkie. These gaddafi thugs destroyed EVERYTHING , but now the Libyans have managed to get the basic structures in place, to make Libya a better , more fair and more decent country !! The ONLY ones who miss those gasddafi monsters are some silly and childish anti Western bullsh.tters !!

      sansagain.sansagain - 2012-08-12 13:03

      There is better way to get real info from Syria. A lot of people from different countries are living there and writing in their blogs. For example there are almost 100 000 russians (or from former USSR) there. If you can read russian or arabic you really can get what is going on there. If one watchs only CNN BBC- it is not nearly enough to get the real story

  • msimelelo.m - 2012-08-12 11:03

    fraser you are totally a one sided man. so israel are the only ones allwed to have nuclear weapons in the region (incl pakistan) ??? is it beacause they are Gods so-called "chosen people"??? or because it is the only pro western country in the region??? one of the real reasons they want iran cut down is beacause they are showing the world cheaper and easier ways of bringing electricty to their people, through nuclear energy. when the rest of the world (esp 3rd world) see this they will stop over paying developed nations for the expensive ways of producing power/electricity. 1970s the people of iran rose against the western oppression. now the west wants "their" minerals n resources "back"... the military industrial complex and the gas pipelines are two of other reasons the states will go in iran 2013. be it with obama/biden or romney/ryan. two sides of the same coin! just like in libya they WILL get "their" minerals and resources "back". then let Halloburton get the construction deal to "re-build" the country.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 16:12

      Again, you're showing yourself to be gullible, weak-minded and ignorant. Everything you have said here is wrong.

  • msimelelo.m - 2012-08-12 11:08

    and no i have not missed that. i have youtube to watch any story that ive missed while at work or play.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 16:16

      If you knew about it, then how on earth can you come to the faulty conclusions you have arrived at. Assad killed thousands of unarmed demonstrators wanting the right to vote in free and fair elections with sniper-fire. Get it?

  • msimelelo.m - 2012-08-12 11:17

    anthony this is not an argument but a discussion. let us not get angry and start using foul words. 3 months before Nato/U.S started boming Libya (incl. oil pipelines and hospitals to create chaos)... before all this, Gaddafi was about to sign into Libyan law that they would stop excepting U.S dollars for oil and would only take Gold Bars (which most of western nations do not have since the Federal reserve in 1933 said (signed) dollar is no longer redeemable in Gold) - gold standard this would have messed up 1st world domination of africa because other countries would have likely followed suit. this story and idea is now dead with the colonel, and any one who tries reviving such an idea WILL be crushed.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-12 11:28

      Unfortunately, you'll soon realise that Anthony is incapable of stringing two sentences together without some fowl denounciation, and going off topic, throwing all kinds of obstacles in the way to derail the topic being discussed, by pulling up old comments that were posted 10 years ago. Good luck trying to be civil with him!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-08-12 12:33

      Firstly, don't take any notice of this Fidel, she is a 16 year old school girl stuck in a history lesson about the Berlin wall. She still does not understand why NOBODY was escaping to the East, and ONLY to the West. By the time she understands this,Syria will be free of Tyranny, and the focus will have shifted to Iran, where the population is getting sick and tired of their terrorist regime. In the meantime, she will just continue spewing out her silly and childish anti American BS, to keep some, like this Patrick. entertained. Coming back to Libya, there have been all silly conspiracy stories going around since February 2011, when some brave unarmed men and women went onto the streets of Benghgazi, to demand a new government. gaddafi's response; the whole world knew he was a terrorist, but in , what must be one of the craziest speeches by any 'leader' in the world, and watched by hundreds of millions of viewers around the world, he also showed he was MAD, a dangerous psychopath. He told the libyan people, that EVERYBODY lovvvved him, and if there were any who did not do so, HE WOULD KILL THEM. TODAY, the Libyan people are free from Tyranny, the West vtakes less oil than pre abbatoir, but fortunately for Libya, China takes now the bulk, ON THEIR TERMS !! Again, you will find very few Libyans who miss these gaddafi monsters, fewer than those you will find , on these sites !!

      sansagain.sansagain - 2012-08-12 12:50

      I wish Antonyfrom_mars go to Lybia and by his own eyes what is going on there now. CNN BBC simply stopped writing about this country after Quadaffi death. But in reality there is no country anymore. There are bunch of territories and groups fighting with each other.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-08-12 14:17

      . It is difficult to imagine, a more silly comment , but I suppose, the likes of Fidel and this Patrick, will be delighted with this clever insight!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 16:12

      The stupid Gaddafi alternative currency story. It's totally stupid and delusional, just like Gaddafi became.

  • imam.madi.129 - 2012-08-12 11:28

    All western journalists are embedded with the terrorists in Syria as they were in Libya. As for CIA and MI6, ask any Nicaragua, Cuba, Congo or even South Africans themselves, they will tell you the only thing they got from them is torture, renditions, sponsorship of civil wars, coups or murder like Lumumba's case. Democracy in the west means is qualified too, remember Bush junior was a president who did not win elections only installed by supreme court his father appointed. Also, the west is slaves to capital, thats why it is easier in those democracies to give money to banks and let people starving and homeless. I do not like dictators but I don't like trouble makers even more. Fred, Saudi is not a democracy, neither is qatar, infact, if you had elections today in those countries then the west will lose friends, you will have the muslim brotherhood taking over and for me, that's the dream but for u that's a nightmare.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 16:14

      You're spewing propaganda from weak-minded websites.

  • shane.loxton - 2012-08-12 15:43

    US, UK, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey stand accused of state sponsorship of terrorism. UN failure to enforce own resolutions will resign their legitimacy, necessitate their expedient removal and replacement with multipolar system.\r\nAugust 12, 2012 – The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) currently arming, funding, and commanding entire brigades of the so-called “Free Syrian Army” (FSA), is designated an Al Qaeda affiliate by the United Nations pursuant to resolutions 1267 (1999) and 1989 (2011), in addition to being listed by both the US State Department and the UK Home Office (page 5, .pdf) as a foreign terrorist organization and a proscribed terrorist organization respectively.\r\nLIFG, who is now leading, arming, and funding (via Qatari, Saudi, Turkish, US, and British cash) entire brigades of the so-called “Free Syrian Army,” is clearly listed as an integral part of Al Qaeda, with the UN noting several prominent LIFG terrorists occupying the highest echelons of Al Qaeda’s command structure. These resolutions reflects other reports previously covered, including the US Army West Point Combating Terrorism Center report, “”Al-Qa’ida’s Foreign Fighters in Iraq”\r\n….\r\nThis means that the United States, the UK, NATO, and the Gulf State despots of Saudi Arabia and Qatar are knowingly and willfully funding, arming, and politically backing designated affiliates of Al Qaeda contrary not only to US and British anti-terror legislation, but contrary to numerous UN resolutions as well. Western and Gulf State support of the FSA constitutes state sponsorship of terrorism.Should the UN fail to enforce its own resolutions, while playing host to further sanctions and considerations for military intervention against the Syrian government who is in fact resisting an international terrorist organization, it will have entirely resigned its legitimacy and authority as nothing more than a tool of Western corporate-financier interests.  It will also highlight the necessity to expediently remove and replace it – ideally with a system that represents a multipolar balance of global power maintained by sovereign nation-states rather than untenable supranational governance.\r\n\r\nThe “Free Syrian Army”is Al Qaeda, led, armed, funded by Western-backed LIFG terrorists.\r\n\r\nAs previously reported (and here), both British and American journalists have clearly identified and documented the presence of foreign fighters with militant extremist ties pouring over the Turkish-Syrian border, most recently in an attempt to overrun the northern Syrian city of Aleppo. CNN, whose Ivan Watson accompanied FSA terrorists over the Turkish-Syrian border and into Aleppo revealed that indeed foreign fighters were amongst the militants. It was admitted that:\r\n\r\nMeanwhile, residents of the village where the Syrian Falcons were headquartered said there were fighters of several North African nationalities also serving with the brigade’s ranks.\r\nA volunteer Libyan fighter has also told CNN he intends to travel from Turkey to Syria within days to add a “platoon” of Libyan fighters to armed movement.\r\n CNN also added:\r\nOn Wednesday, CNN’s crew met a Libyan fighter who had crossed into Syria from Turkey with four other Libyans. The fighter wore full camouflage and was carrying a Kalashnikov rifle. He said more Libyan fighters were on the way.\r\nThe foreign fighters, some of them are clearly drawn because they see this as … a jihad. So this is a magnet for jihadists who see this as a fight for Sunni Muslims.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-12 16:09


      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-08-12 16:29

      Shame, How does this Fidel, put it ? something like this; It must be full moon, all the lunatics are out !!!!!!

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