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US gun advocates want Morgan deported

2012-12-23 22:35

Washington - -US gun rights advocates have signed a White House petition calling for British CNN host Piers Morgan to be deported for allegedly attacking the Second Amendment rights of ordinary Americans.

The outspoken former British tabloid editor has launched something of a personal crusade for greater gun control measures in the wake of the 14 December massacre at Sandy Hook elementary in Newtown, Connecticut.

On Tuesday, Morgan held an especially contentious interview with executive director of Gun Owners of America Larry Pratt, appearing to become incensed and incredulous when Pratt suggested more, not fewer, weapons as the solution.

"You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" Morgan said at one point during the heated debate. "You have absolutely no coherent argument. You don't actually give a damn about the gun murder rate in America."

Following the interview, a Texas journalist posted a petition on the White House website alleging Morgan "is engaged in a hostile attack against the US Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment."

"We demand that Mr. Morgan be deported immediately for his effort to undermine the Bill of Rights and for exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens," it says.

Many Americans believe in the literal interpretation of the Second Amendment, which enshrines the "right to bear arms" in the US constitution.

Morgan insists America can outlaw military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines without infringing on people's constitutional rights and says he has no quarrel with the Second Amendment.

Two days after the petition calling for Morgan's deportation was posted, it had already garnered more than 19 000 signatures, closing in quickly on the 25 000 required to get a response from the White House.

A defiant Morgan refused to back down from his position.

"Ironic US gun rights campaign to deport me for 'attacking 2nd Amendment rights' - is my opinion not protected under 1st Amendment rights?," he posted on his Twitter feed Saturday, referring to freedom of speech provisions.

Morgan continued to post incendiary comments on the gun control debate, including a response on Sunday morning to an NBC interview with a top official in the powerful pro-gun lobby group, the National Rifle Association.

"Watching @davidgregory expose Wayne Lapierre for what he is - a dangerous, dim-witted, deluded menace to American safety. @NRA," Morgan tweeted.

At least some Americans have come out in support of British citizen.

In one message, reposted by Morgan, Lee Cox in Arizona wrote: "I'm a native-born US citizen, and I agree 100% with Mr Morgan. If he goes back to the UK, should I go with him?"

America has suffered an epidemic of gun violence over the last three decades including 62 mass shooting incidents since 1982. The vast majority of weapons used have been semi-automatic weapons obtained legally by the killers.

Comments
  • geronimo.feather - 2012-12-23 22:53

    I agree with Morgan.

      lownabester - 2012-12-23 23:15

      I dont like him, he makes my skin crawl, but have to agree with him on this one.

      atholl.canterbury - 2012-12-24 08:51

      He {Morgan} who attacks the arms industry with no gun. Will either be hunted or forced to run. The 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) has less value than the Bill of rights {{ Right to Life}}

      lownabester - 2012-12-24 09:13

      Come on why all the thumbs down, we all know what guns are doing in our country. He was just stating a fact.

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-24 09:38

      I also don't like Morgan, and he is only opportunistic to boost his own TV rating, but it is obvious to everybody (except maybe Americans) that it is too easy to buy a weapon and ammunition in the US. However banning assault rifles and AR-15’s won’t take these murder-suicides away. In all recent incidents the shooters had access to other guns that were as deadly. (In this last incident the guns were owned by the mother; tighter gun control would not have prevented her from owning guns. The shooting incident would still have occurred.) The question is why these killings are happening in the US. These killings won’t go away by merely banning AR-15’s. Much tighter gun control can limit the damage and deaths, which is of course a good thing, but it won’t take it away. What is the underlying frustration in that society that drives people to commit these offences? It is a selfish society that does trample each other into the ground. The US is all about self-promotion and naturally at the expense of others. If they have the opportunity to humiliate and hurt somebody they will do it. This might become too much for some people and they “snap”. Start by looking how people treat each other.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-24 11:26

      lownabester. what you have touched him then?. Otherwise if you haven't how can he make your skin crawl?.

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-12-24 12:58

      Big deal, 19 000 signatures to deport Morgan. We got more than 100 000 to get rid of Bryce Lawrence. And they have 6 times our population ! LMAO !!!!!

  • chaze.damonze - 2012-12-23 23:02

    Americans are really lacking simple logical brain functions. Or well most of them anyway.

      torstein.riiber - 2012-12-24 07:37

      unfortunlatly, reading the comments on this site tells a lot about many SA´s too.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-12-24 10:53

      Hanif, I have to agree, clearly a lot of South Africans have no clue as to what is going on.

  • frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-12-23 23:12

    And these 62 mass shootings since 1982 they talk about killed, lets say, 250 people if that! This in a country with in excess of 310 milllion people and everyone, including that idiot, Morgan goes ballistic. That figure is surpassed in a week in SA and no one utters a bleat??? These moronic libtards should just shut their stupid faces and polish their auras!!

      mark.botha.963 - 2012-12-24 00:46

      Yes, wtf is wrong with these morons? They keep going on as if the lives of kids are somehow more important than the rights of gun owners to have armouries of weapons. And the mathematical trickery they employ in getting their points across!! For example by stating that 20 kids were murdered instead of stating that a mere 0.000006% of the population were killed. The parents of those kids care about percentages, not lives, I tell you. Oh, and the worst is when they try and out you on your willful obfuscation. E.g. They'll say: "20 kids died here. Access to semi automatic guns should be restricted", to which you respond: "well, 200 kids died THERE. Proving access to semi automatic guns should NOT be restricted." And then they'll go on about how your response makes no sense at all!!!

      elbi.v.niekerk - 2012-12-24 00:48

      I wonder if you will still feel this way if it was your innocent 6 year old daughter lying on the slab in the morgue..

      FeebleGastro - 2012-12-24 06:47

      Frank's point (which the libtards don't get - they're not the sharpest pencils at the best of times) is this: South Africa has a much bigger problem, but it gets swept under the carpet by the libtard media and the chimp government with attitudes of "it's only crime". Libtards should continually be shouting to high heaven against what is happening in SA, but they are remarkably silent. They'd rather shout about one incident in the USA.

      Jack - 2012-12-24 06:55

      Sensible. There are many ways people day in this world. Chances are in a population of 300 million more than that number of kids were killed by their parents in cases of physical abuse, or in car accidents. Do we know how many lives have been saved through gun ownership? I don't know. No one seems to care about that. Until we see all aspects having a bearing on a situation, don't rush to judgement. And yes, you too will die one day, either by gun or some other way. Your chance of being murdered in SA is so much greater because of government confiscation of guns from whites. Anyone for genocide?

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-12-24 07:45

      elbi.v.niekerk - December 24, 2012 at 00:48 My kid could be lying on a slab due to a house robbery where cretins took a cell phone or due to a taxi driving like a moron and I won't see Morgan rinsing his stupid mouth over that! Point is, gun control solves nothing and the shooting in the US of kids in schools is a direct result of libtards throwing discipline out the window and not setting boundaries and rules for kids to follow. No gun control will solve this problem!

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-12-24 07:48

      indianajohn - December 24, 2012 at 01:11 Don't be stupid man! Compare apples with apples if you want to make a point!

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-24 11:31

      Ramon.allen.1 Americans live with a collective fear that everyone is out to get them. Ask them what they are so afraid of and you will get a variety of answers that will boggle your mind. Some are even afraid of their own government. Te tragic thing is they pass this fear on to their children, who also learn to shoot at an early age.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-12-24 00:16

    Don't give up your guns. Mr Morgan is the stupid one. If a civil war breaks out, how will you protect yourself?

      louis.pienaar1 - 2012-12-24 01:27

      @Stewart Croucamp, Congratulations on being the top nominee for the Darwin award. Your ticket for the ceremony in Syria is in the mail.

      Baasdeets - 2012-12-24 01:55

      Stewart, it seems imdianajohn and Louis would like you ,to deal with thugs wanting to shoot you using illegal and/stolen firearms by offering them a nice cup of tea and then enjoy your hospitality while you wait telephone the police. When will people like you two realise that the law means nothing to the criminal? The law only has an influence on the law abiding. Attack me with malice a forethought or intent and believe me, give me half a chance ill put a bullet in the bastard. You chaps carry on trusting the police and law to protect you. I'd rather go down fighting to protect myself, my family and myroperty as is my RIGHT UNDER COMMON LAW than end up dying like an dog- savagely and unprotected.

      louis.pienaar1 - 2012-12-24 02:33

      Tell me old chapo, do have a gun there in Brighton?

      louis.pienaar1 - 2012-12-24 03:02

      The reason i'm asking, if you are wondering, its seems to me that you are on the very stupid side of the meter. You are incapable of understanding my comment and what i commented on. I have a licensed firearm in my safe which i will use for self defense if the need arrives. Thank you for asking. I think guns should be kept away from people that cannot think twice before making a decision, as you have have proved in you comment.

  • younginhk - 2012-12-24 00:30

    Only thing I would agree on with NRA. Get that piece of slime off CNN and bring back Larry who was a gentleman.

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-24 03:43

      You must be American to make a comment like this. Hehehe the Americans I know hates his guts, but free speech is one of the principals America was founded on, no need to deport the man. Even a zombie could figure out he is right

      hugh.olphart - 2013-01-15 11:16

      Not sure I would enjoy some foreigner living in my country standing on a public platform mouthing off about my values and beliefs. I've listened to his debates and he belittles his guests, asks them loaded questions then interrupts them before they have made their point. Insults and shuts then up so his point remains prevalent. After dismissing his guests, then insults there points of view. I would kick his ass right back to the UK.

  • Bob - 2012-12-24 01:01

    Gun control advocates really are as illogical as you can get. If you're taking guns from law-abiding citizens then you empower criminals that much more. Tighten gun controls and you'd end up with more gun violence than before.

  • karl.schnieder.5 - 2012-12-24 01:12

    Send the sonofabitch back to some country without a Bill of Rights.

  • pws69 - 2012-12-24 01:23

    The most armed nation, per capita, on the planet, Switzerland, has the lowest crime rate. Go figure. Guns don't kill people, the idiot pulling the trigger does. Just a thought, have you noticed how crime has increased, especially with these types of massacres, since the nanny states decided corporal punishment, or any punishment for that matter, of children was taboo? Cause and effect? Just a thought.

      david.khasebe - 2012-12-24 02:14

      Bull@#$t!! Switzerland is fourth after Finland, Yemen with US at no 1!

      charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-12-24 06:58

      Switzerland is not number one in the world or even in Europe. The reason the Swiss are heavily armed is because the men are reservists. The full story often puts a different spin on things.

      pws69 - 2012-12-24 07:19

      Hi David, I read my comment again, and I can see where it was wrong. To be clear then, Switzerland has the most citizens owning a gun. In the USA, 30 - 34% of adults own a gun. In Switzerland it is 38-42% of adults owning a gun. On the per capita basis, the US is higher because of multiple gun ownership. The reason Switzerland has far fewer gun related deaths, and only one massacre in recent history, is because of a culture of responsible gun ownership, and training. I couldn't find stats on Israel, but because of compulsory military service there, I would have thought guns per household would be very high there. Apologies for my error.

      pws69 - 2012-12-24 15:18

      @Charmaine, you are partially correct. Compulsory military service for all men means even more guns per household, but only for up to 118 days per year, and they are not counted in the gun ownership figures, so the actually number of guns per household is higher if you count those weapons in. But, historically Switzerland have essentially had a militia type army. One Swiss commented that Switzerland doesn't have an army, it is an army, because almost all males have received training. He also reckoned that the entire country could be mobilised within a day in case of war. I'm guessing because of this training, the Swiss also respect the damage a gun can do, so are not quite as cavalier as the yanks for example. My position? I advocate responsible gun ownership, which includes requisite vetting and training. If you want to own more than 3, then you must have a collectors license, and additional vetting and competency training.

  • Philip - 2012-12-24 02:10

    Piers Morgan should be shipped back to Pommieland after being issued a swift kick in the rear.

  • tommo.too - 2012-12-24 03:59

    Americans are mad. Period.

  • rdvgraaff - 2012-12-24 04:11

    He is a pompous ass that was in charge of the tabloid guilty of the telephone hacking scandal.

  • gobo.lance - 2012-12-24 04:31

    Look at the crime rate in SA, the farm murders, etc.. So, Americans should disarm themselves to become sitting ducks like the people in South Africa? The only thing that keeps them from running completely wild in the US is the fact that they know many of "the crackers" are armed to the teeth.

  • Rooboy123 - 2012-12-24 04:51

    Dim witted, short sighted, deluded all describe Lapierre's (and the NRA's) stubborn stance on gun reform. Australia stands out as a shining beacon on gun reform and regularly conduct amnesties where a "no questions asked" approach has paid handsome dividends. However corruption within the Customs service has seen the illegal importation of weapons into Australia. This is being vigorously investigated.

      givenvon.baloyi - 2012-12-24 07:37

      Did you just put corruption and Australia in the same sentence, wow I bet it got to do with the new population of Perth-(fontein)

      willemdaniel.venter - 2012-12-24 08:52

      @Rooiboy000. Violent crime in Australia went up 42% in the ten years since the ban and confiscation of semi-auto rifles countrywide. Australians are not allowed to own handguns for self-defense. Australian Bureau of Criminology http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

  • eddie.botha.3 - 2012-12-24 04:53

    I only agree with Morgan that assault guns should be banned. As for him personally, I have yet to see or hear such self serving, arrogant, histrionic interviewer in my life. His shows are only about Piers Morgan. And let's not forget his own history when he edited a British tabloid. And, while attacking the Americans, Morgan (or his researchers) has failed to mention a country such as SA where there are many murders after law abiding citizens, who handed in their guns, and subsequently got killed with illegal firearms. Many obtained or stolen from the police. A ban on weapons normally only serves the criminals who don't bother to adhere to the ban. Like drivers with no or illegal licences who kill innovent people.

  • shahied.mohamed.9 - 2012-12-24 05:17

    Besides a few,Americans are generaly very stupid and are easily led by their nose !!!!

      patrick.saunders123 - 2012-12-24 10:51

      i guess the truth hurts when it applies to people like you.

      gary.landman - 2013-01-15 19:17

      Ever been to America Shahied Mohamed? America, the land that gave you cellphones personal computers space travel mass production efficient gasoline production microchips skyscrapers airplane airtravel, to name but a few that you boorish ragamuffins so willingly use to co-ordinate criminal activity, bombings and access to news24. Take ALL of that stupid American stuff away and see just how often you can tumbledry your sheet and your wifes burka in a year (or vacuum the desert from your tent). Amazing...

  • akesaris - 2012-12-24 05:38

    Agree with Morgan

  • johnwilliam.roberts - 2012-12-24 05:50

    if guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns

      ian.robertreid - 2012-12-24 06:44

      Hartly u hit the nail directly on the head? top statement? thanku IRR

      Onke.Dali - 2012-12-24 07:15

      Idiots!

  • Malose-Nyatlo - 2012-12-24 06:06

    Surely those Americans who don't see Morgan's point and want him deported are ubelievably stupid. After Osama bin Laden, Americans are their own worst enemies with those hoardes of guns in their homes.

  • koos.hendriks.1 - 2012-12-24 06:21

    They start sounding like the and member.... We demand!

  • ian.robertreid - 2012-12-24 06:40

    Captain Morgan u will be strung up boy ~the gun guys r gunning 4u@bcareful.com

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-12-24 06:45

    Outlaw guns and only Outlaws will have guns !!!!

  • tony.raft1 - 2012-12-24 07:36

    Well done Piers. American arrogance is causing its own downfall. NRA is proof of this!

      jbayloafer - 2012-12-24 08:46

      Morgan is typical of a certain class of whingeing pom liberal who cant mind his own business !

  • troy.buttress - 2012-12-24 08:08

    My instinct tells me that laws only affect law abiding citizens and therefore you should "bear arms" to protect yourself and your family. However when I look at world gun statistics - there is an undeniable trend, and that is that the number of gun related deaths is directly proportional to the number of gun owners per 100 people. Surely this statistic can't be ignored when debating this contentious issue? Here is my source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

  • rachell.lass - 2012-12-24 08:26

    Morgan has a good point, but why doesn't he just say that he is not saying they need to do away with guns altogether, just have more CONTROL over WHO is allowed to have weapons and what kind ? Do ordinary citizens really have a need for fully automatic, high powered rifles ? The kind used in most of these massacres.

  • pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-24 08:40

    I also don't like Morgan, and he is only opportunistic to boost his own TV rating, but it is obvious to everybody (except maybe Americans) that it is too easy to buy a weapon and ammunition in the US. However the problem that many miss, including the “clever” Morgan, is that tighter gun control will have little effect on the murder-suicide rate in the US, unless they ban all guns as they done in the UK. Assault rifles and the infamous AR-15 were used in some of the recent shootings, but the shooters also had access to other weapons, as deadly. Also, as in the last incident, the guns were legally bought by people that will not be prevented from buying or owing guns under tighter legislation. (In this last incident the guns were owned by the mother; tighter gun control would not have prevented her from owning guns. The shooting incident would still have occurred.) The point that I think most people are missing is why these killings are happening in the US. These killings won’t go away by merely banning AR-15’s. Sure much tighter gun control can limit the damage and deaths, which is of course a good thing, but it won’t take it away. What is the underlying frustration in that society that drive people to commit these offences? Why do some people in the US feel so wronged that they would kill random bystanders? It is a selfish society and they do trample each other into the ground. Maybe start looking at how people treat each other.

      fidelity.mcoshi - 2012-12-24 09:28

      Americans are psychotic to a massive extent, brainwashed by wars, violence, uncontrolled gun ownership, paranoia, crime, religion, sex, militarism, Hollywood, and mixed with junk food and ever increasing poverty.

  • vernon.meakin - 2012-12-24 09:44

    Take the guns away from the good guys ,then only the bad guye will have guns.

  • anthony.cowen.50 - 2012-12-24 10:09

    I couldn't agree more with Mr Morgan,I've always thought Americans are stupid but this confirms it

  • mark.ross.ryan - 2012-12-24 10:20

    Well I think Americans need to catch a wake up because Abraham lincoln abolished the 13th amendment of the constitution (the right to own and exploit slaves). They may actually have had a civil war over it...(insert sarcastic frustrated face). So a progressive and democratic society should be able to see that outdated laws, especially those that bring hardship and death should be removed for the betterment of their society. So I'm happy that a tabloid journalist has the muster to back obama's position.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-24 11:25

    Yes and we demand that every government supporting America and it's stupid wars be thrown in the rubbish bin asap.

  • Bob.Cee123 - 2012-12-24 11:49

    There is a middle ground which can be achieved in this debate and whining little vermin like Piers Morgan are only interested in inflaming the debate to boost their ratings. Assault rifles certainly need way tighter controls in both their accessibility and licensing. Of that there is no doubt. The mistake Piers Morgan is making is fallaciously labeling anybody who disagrees with him as being wholeheartedly in support of massacres like this and Columbine etc and then treating them with the contempt one would expect such a person to be treated. Yes, the NRA is coming up with some kooky ideas, but only because the likes of Morgan are publicly berating and deriding them at every opportunity and not letting them get a word in edgewise, so they have gone on the defense. Morgan's black & white thinking on this issue is not helping the debate, but simply polarizing it further. Guns exist and can be made in a garage if somebody puts their mind to it. Sure, the average emo, depressed teen will not likely make them, but crime syndicates could easily set up their own gunsmiths at the drop of a hat, even making assault rifles with some workshop equipment. The issue of mental health & social services and the shortcomings therein will need to be addressed as well. Take away assault rifles and all these depressed, psychotic teens will do is start building fertilizer bombs / nail bombs etc. There is a deeper, psycho-societal root cause to this issue and it appears to be ignored here.

      hugh.olphart - 2013-01-15 11:25

      I've followed his debates, and I'm surprised that someone hasn't actually given him a smack. Alex Jones who started the petition to have him deported shouted him down for 15 minutes on Morgan's own show. Was a riot to watch. Morgan 0 Jones 1, even called him out to bring the boxing gloves.

  • john.m.mcdowall - 2012-12-24 12:25

    Can't stand his arrogance. Why can't he learn "when in Rome" Deport him pomme arse.

  • PikesNo1 - 2012-12-24 14:18

    These people are arguing about the incorrect issues.... The only solution to Americas gun problem is not to glorify killing and destruction. Today's movies and tv series are filled with images of killing and ways to kill. The media driven culture is the problem to the guns. Guns don't kill people, people kill people .

  • mariette.troxler - 2012-12-25 20:31

    America is not the only country suffering from this, although they are first on the list. In the last 10 years Finland and Germany also had multiple mass shootings.

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