US preacher: New date for Rapture

2011-05-24 11:13

Oakland - As crestfallen followers of a California preacher who foresaw the world's end strained to find meaning in their lives, Harold Camping revised his apocalyptic prophecy, saying he was off by five months and the Earth actually will be obliterated on October 21.

Camping, who predicted that 200 million Christians would be taken to heaven on Saturday before global cataclysm struck the planet, said on Monday that he felt so terrible when his doomsday message did not come true that he left home and took refuge in a motel with his wife.

His independent ministry, Family Radio International, spent millions - some of it from donations made by followers - on more than 5 000 billboards and 20 recreational vehicles plastered with the Judgment Day message.

A believer

Follower Jeff Hopkins also spent a good deal of his own retirement savings on fuel to power his car so people would see its ominous lighted sign showcasing Camping's May 21 warning.

As the appointed day drew nearer, Hopkins started making the 160km round trip from Long Island to New York City twice a day, spending at least $15 on fuel each trip.

"I've been mocked and scoffed and cursed at and I've been through a lot with this lighted sign on top of my car," said Hopkins, 52, a former television producer who lives in Great River, New York.

"I was doing what I've been instructed to do through the Bible, but now I've been stymied. It's like getting slapped in the face."

Camping, who made a special appearance before the press at the Oakland headquarters of the media empire on Monday evening, apologised for not having the dates "worked out as accurately as I could have".

'Spiritual' Judgment Day

Through chatting with a friend over what he acknowledged was a very difficult weekend, the light dawned on him that instead of the biblical Rapture in which the faithful would be swept up to the heavens, May 21 had instead been a "spiritual" Judgment Day, which places the entire world under Christ's judgment, he said.

The globe will be completely destroyed in five months, he said, when the apocalypse comes.

But because God's judgment and salvation were completed on Saturday, there's no point in continuing to warn people about it, so his network will now just play Christian music and programmes until the final end on Oct. 21.

"We've always said May 21 was the day, but we didn't understand altogether the spiritual meaning," he said.

"The fact is there is only one kind of people who will ascend into heaven ... if God has saved them they're going to be caught up."

It's not the first time the 89-year-old retired civil engineer has been dismissed by the Christian mainstream and has been forced to explain when his prediction didn't come to pass.

Camping also prophesied the Apocalypse would come in 1994, but said later that didn't happen then because of a mathematical error.

Monday, rather than give his normal daily broadcast, Camping took questions as a part of his show, Open Forum, which transmits his biblical interpretations via the group's radio stations, TV channels, satellite broadcasts and website.

Not giving out financial advice

Camping's hands shook slightly as he pinned his microphone to his lapel, and as he clutched a worn Bible he spoke in a quivery monotone about some listeners' earthly concerns after giving away possessions in expectation of the Rapture.

Family Radio would never tell anyone what they should do with their belongings, and those who had fewer would cope, Camping said.

"We're not in the business of financial advice," he said. "We're in the business of telling people there's someone who you can maybe talk to, maybe pray to, and that's God."

But he also said that he wouldn't give away all his possessions ahead of October 21.

"I still have to live in a house, I still have to drive a car," he said. "What would be the value of that? If it is Judgment Day why would I give it away?"

Apocalyptic thinking has always been part of American religious life and popular culture. Teachings about the end of the world vary dramatically - even within faith traditions - about how they will occur.

No one knows

Still, the overwhelming majority of Christians reject the idea that the exact date or time of Jesus' return can be predicted.

Tim LaHaye, co-author of the best-selling Left Behind novels about the end times, recently called Camping's prediction "not only bizarre but 100% wrong!"

He cited the Bible verse Matthew 24:36, "but about that day or hour no one knows" except God.

"While it may be in the near future, many signs of our times certainly indicate so, but anyone who thinks they 'know' the day and the hour is flat out wrong," LaHaye wrote on his website,

Signs of disappointment also were evident online, where groups that had confidently predicted the Rapture - and, in some cases, had spent money to help spread the word through advertisements - took tentative steps to re-establish internet presences in the face of widespread mockery.

Many millions of dollars

The Pennsylvania-based group eBible Fellowship still has a website with images of May 21 billboards all over the world, but its Twitter feed has changed over from the increasingly confident predictions before the date to circumspect Bible verses that seem to speak to the confusion and hurt many members likely feel.

Camping offered no clues about Family Radio's finances on Monday, saying he could not estimate how much had been spent on getting out his prediction nor how much money the non-profit had taken in as a result.

In 2009, the organisation reported in IRS filings that it received $18.3m in donations, and had assets of more than $104m, including $34m in stocks or other publicly traded securities.

Josh Ocasion, who works the teleprompter during Camping's live broadcasts in the group's threadbare studio sandwiched between an auto shop and a palm reader's business, said he enjoyed the production work but he had never fully believed the May 21 prophecy would come true.

"I thought he would show some more human decency in admitting he made a mistake," he said. "We didn't really see that."

  • JMan - 2011-05-24 11:28

    "His independent ministry, Family Radio International, spent millions - some of it from donations made by followers..." I wonder where all this money comes from... Sorry...but as jy dom is moet jy kak.

      JMan - 2011-05-24 11:29

      Also..."In 2009, the organisation reported in IRS filings that it received $18.3m in donations, and had assets of more than $104m, including $34m in stocks or other publicly traded securities." Religion...maybe I should get into that.

      Realist - 2011-05-24 15:13

      @Wharen Why? Why did you have to go and pick on people's religions when it has nothing to do with this?

      Bratt - 2011-05-25 09:24

      The rapture is about the true believers being whisked away before the end. The fact that Mr. preacherman is still here means he is not a true believer. Either that or there has to be another rapture date. I guess we all know which option he settled for... Keep donating folks.

  • cj.venter - 2011-05-24 11:30

    well, i don't know baout you people, but the bible clearly states what to do with false prophets. why is this guy still allowed to preach to people when his predictions are false?

      WhyLikeThis - 2011-05-24 11:44

      Because you gullible idiots believing the BS

      GLY - 2011-05-24 13:52

      Wharen please enlighten us as to what you believe.

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:26

      @GLY - Wharen believes tht all religion is a load of BULL!

      BigSpoon - 2011-05-26 13:35

      He must keep is hysterical to listen to his crap and even more hysterical to listen to his followers

  • Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-24 11:31

    And so the suckers will be drawn in again.

  • Allah - 2011-05-24 11:39

    i wonder if this man reads and understands the bible, he real needs some help

      Realist - 2011-05-24 15:14

      Whats up with your username?

      JesusChrist - 2011-05-24 17:52

      @Realist. What's up with yours?

      RiRo1 - 2011-05-25 08:39

      Realist is a Jew! :-)

      Johan - 2011-05-25 10:05

      Realist is a confused Nazi Jew. Or am I misinterpreting your symbol.

      Clean Shaven Laven - 2011-05-25 10:54

      @Johan I'm surprised that by now, people don't know that the "Nazi" swastika is actually derived from a Sanskrit symbol which denotes good luck. Hitler must've had a sense of humour, or been a closet Hindu.

  • Lizira - 2011-05-24 11:43

    And so fools continue leading the fools ...

      Ericthe - 2011-05-25 04:22

      Actually this man is no fool, but a brilliant business man who live off of gullible people! Imagine the fortune he could make in SA!

      Evan - 2011-05-25 10:25

      @Lizira I had not realized this comment section was about our govt and it's supporters!

  • LloydSix - 2011-05-24 11:43

    And after he gets it wrong AGAIN i'm sure he'll make up a new date.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-24 11:55

      They always do. Either that or convince their followers to commit mass suicide or something.

      Karen - 2011-05-25 13:27

      lol he already has ... 21 October 2011

  • GinSA1 - 2011-05-24 11:44

    This thing will vrek before October, painfully. That is my prediction. I also predicted my wife would catch me with the neighbor. That came true. So Camping is inni kak!

  • molefeP - 2011-05-24 11:48

    Best of all is, he is going to catch out another bunch of morons. Hilarious actually.

      Wharen - 2011-05-24 12:01

      A fool is easily parted from his money, and more so when they're a religious fool.

      SaintBruce - 2011-05-25 09:31

      Well he didn't catch my church out with his 'prediction' or prophesy as we had a stunning Holy Spirit filled meeting and the presence of God was so great that it was tangible. No where does it say in the Bible that the start of the Tribulation will be cataclysmic. Life will carry on as normal but the signs before this time include the nation of Israel accepting Peace with it's neighbours and after the speech in the US Senate last night, I don't see that happening anytime soon! Just be ready for heaven before you die. Are you saved by the Grace of God and covered in the Blood of His dear Son , Jesus Christ? God is real and it does not take much to find that out...if you want to.

  • daaivark - 2011-05-24 11:50

    Are we supposed to feel soprry for poor Jeff because he was stupid enough to spend money promoting this crap? What a disingenuous response from Camping. A "spiritual Judgement Day". What a laugh.

      G-spotWizard - 2011-05-24 14:18

      Yeah, you right. He is the one who was judged that day. He was judged by God dnd was found Guilty, Guilty, Guilty. This guy is an impostor. I will advise him to have his brain scanned, it looks to me that Alzeimer is settling in.

      Lisaman - 2011-05-25 08:10

      I agree daaivark, ANyone following this nonsence in this day and age deserves what ever they end up with in the bank!! I can't feel sorry for them at all!!

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:30

      @G-spotWizard - all people of relious persuasions need to have their brains scanned! Because it is all a load of crap! Prove me wrong - and don't come with quotes out the bible because that silly book is too full of ambiguities and contradictions!

  • mm - 2011-05-24 11:50

    SURELY, before you stir up the whole world by predicting the end, you check, and recheck and recheck your calculations and facts, and then check it again, just to be 100% sure. I think he is an attention whore...

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:31

      Maybe more than a religious whore!

  • MrInc - 2011-05-24 11:50

    you would think that if god wanted to send an important message like this he would make himself clear...

      Wharen - 2011-05-24 12:00

      Yeah, but god only does parlour tricks.

      leigh.wiltshire - 2011-05-24 14:35

      Ummm - more clear than "He cited the Bible verse Matthew 24:36, "but about that day or hour no one knows" except God." (Quoted from article above) It's not exactly an encoded message.

  • Love/Hate - 2011-05-24 11:56

    Whats in his pipe

      Dubya - 2011-05-24 11:59

      Yeah he's definitely got the "good stuff" in his pipe!

      Wharen - 2011-05-24 12:11

      He smokes banana leaves, you can see the puffy-and-redness in his eyes.

      Kwagga88 - 2011-05-24 12:58

      Nope he is smoking his socks!

      brown_bread - 2011-05-25 09:55

      My guess is he smokes 'The Economist', or 'Financial Times'. What he does makes business sense.

  • Ben - 2011-05-24 11:56

    From pathetic to even more pathetic... Reading Hitchens' "God is NOT great" Awesome read!

  • loops - 2011-05-24 11:56

    Can someone please just get rid of him. Does he think he's the second Noah or something ? Delirious old man . . .

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:34

      Problem is he is not the only one that must be shot - what about all those Cat-holics who play with little boys - what about those predikants who visit Swaziland for a bit of chocolate?

  • tracy.davids - 2011-05-24 11:58

    "I was doing what I've been instructed to do through the Bible, but now I've been stymied. It's like getting slapped in the face." Fool, if you actually READ the Bible and stop following blindly, you would realize that none of this bull is in there.

      GLY - 2011-05-24 13:54

      Wharen, perhaps you don't understand the mBible as well

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:35

      @GLY - maybe you don't understand Wharen OR the bible?

  • Chantel - 2011-05-24 11:58

    This ass must just give it up already.

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  • william.botha - 2011-05-24 12:03

    These buggers should be held criminally accountable for their lying.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 12:33

      I agree with you. Because certain sheeple will actually believe the crap and sell their houses, etc.

      Mike - 2011-05-26 07:14

      @Ateis - if they do sell their houses and the world does end - what they going to spend their money on? Too late she cried!

  • Dane - 2011-05-24 12:06

    so much happening in October... meteor shower (22nd october heley comet dust trail) huge astroid passing between earth and the moon on the 16th october and now the rapture on the 21st october WOW looking foward to it and telling my grand children about it

      Kwagga88 - 2011-05-24 13:17

      The asteroid will be the 8th of November this year and are you talking of halley's comet because that is only due to pass in July 2061, but NASA say there will be a meteor shower the 8th of October. But I see what you you are trying to say.

      Jonathan Wensil - 2011-05-24 16:01

      No! Please tell me the end of the Earth isn't on November 8th! Call of Duty Modern warfare 3 comes out on the 8th!

      RiRo1 - 2011-05-25 08:44

      Yes, all that is happening, but not the rapture... LOL :-) the rapture was supposed to be on Saturday *roll eyes* LOL

      RiRo1 - 2011-05-25 08:48

      Oh yes, comet ELEnin is also passing... in September... If I'm not mistaking, 10 September... (Interesting date and name, if you ask me...)

  • bongane.mabena - 2011-05-24 12:06

    This is an investors issue: America and Europe. One is brittle! One is firm! I would urge people to shrug off the sensation coz it's going for their money and assets like a famine. Debt; inflation; Recession! The Bible reads that no man shall know of the Lord's coming days. Dont be alert ya'll! Old man left a huge hotel bill this weekend and this sounds like a conspiracy, especially against Africa (it's people and resources).

      daaivark - 2011-05-24 13:12

      A conspiracy against Africa? WHAT? WHere does Africa fit into this. The fact that 80 or so idiots from this country fell for it can't be seen as some sort of conspiracy! That's even mo0re crazy than the "prediction".

      Kwagga88 - 2011-05-24 13:25

      LOL!!!!!!! Agreed this more crazy than the prediction!

  • Pharcide - 2011-05-24 12:10

    It is written twice: Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father. Mar 13:32 But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father. Why would God now suddenly make and exception and tell one Pastor the day and hour? This Pastor is damaging the image of Christianity.

      Andrew - 2011-05-24 15:28

      Like it needs any more damaging.... after the Catholic peadophiles have had a good go at spreading shite all over themselves and the Pope - here's the latest on that "statistically there are just as many paedophiles amongst the general populus as amongst catholic priests" - whats up with that - I thought priests were supposed to be better than the rest of us sinners, and we trust our children with these "holy men" - well thankfully I never will. Actually any time I hear someone talking about religion I take my daughter out of earshot for fear of her losing her morals (which are impeccable in my view of course). all of you Christians need to think very very hard about the messages you've sent the world over the millenia and about all of the innocent people (non-believers in your doctrine) you've massacared in the name of Christ. One thing I know for certain - this dingbat is going nowhere near heaven (if it exists)...

      Warren Pridgeon - 2011-05-24 16:16

      @Andrew ... I am really sorry for what Christians or people claiming to be Christians have done... it sucks... and it gets me mad. God never instructed thems to massacre people...or even marginalise people. Sadly...Christians have never been "real" with people, and they have adopted a "holier than thou" attitude... which is against Jesus' teachings anyway. Instead of judging they're supposed to love... but they think that by pointing out other peoples failings their own will be hidden. It seriously grates me when people do that.

  • haszard - 2011-05-24 12:10

    Harold Camping sounds like he plagiarized Jehovah's Witnesses Jehovah Witnesses are a spin-off of the second Adventist which all came from the Millerite movement.American war of 1812 army captain William Miller is ground zero for Jehovah's Witnesses. Yes,the "great disappointment" of Oct 22 1844 has never died out... it lives on in the Jehovah's Witnesses. The central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower,yes the reason the Watchtower came into existence was to declare Jesus second coming in 1914.When the prophecy (derived from William Miller of 1842) failed they said that he came "invisibly". --- Danny Haszard been there folks!

      Gatta - 2011-05-24 14:38

      You have the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventists confused. The Great Disappointment of 1844 was a prediction made by the early Adventist movement, not Jehovah's Witnesses.

      katySA - 2011-05-25 14:17

      @ Gatta ... haszard doesn't say the great disappointment of 1844 was a prediction of the Jehovah's Witnesses .. he says it lives on in the Jehovah's Witnesses .. maybe you should read carefully before you comment

  • Supapaul - 2011-05-24 12:15


      Ateis - 2011-05-24 12:32

      koekies? Dump-ass? LOL

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:39

      Maybe Supapaul should go and take a dump!

  • Bemused - 2011-05-24 12:21

    He should be held responsible for the refunding of sums lost by some of his followers, in my opinion. He has collected vast sums of money by his actions and rhetoric and therefore should have to recompense those same people , as far as I'm concerned. He should be made to shoulder some responsibility and not get away with collecting only. Just as Malema should be held responsable for he's utterances so should this preacher.

  • Ateis - 2011-05-24 12:31

    Christian sheeple never cease to amaze me

  • Flasheart - 2011-05-24 12:32

    He should've taken the safe bet and banked on December 21 2012.

  • vaat - 2011-05-24 12:39

    F*** you you old piece of Sh*t!

      daaivark - 2011-05-24 13:09

      Very articulate.

      Warren Pridgeon - 2011-05-24 16:18

      A regular Michelangelo of literature :P

      Mike - 2011-05-25 15:55

      No thanks - don't want to f@ck him!

  • DirtyDog - 2011-05-24 12:50

    And when October 21 comes and goes, it will be revised again. Ad nauseum until it actually does happen in someones lifetime.

  • Slothman - 2011-05-24 12:53

    With his latest statement in mind "he was off by five months and the Earth actually will be obliterated on October 21". So tell me, if it takes a mere 3 days to work out the correct date, why only work it out now, after the deadline has passed. Why not during all the months even years leading up to this. Surely such a big event based on calculations should have been made sure to be 100% accurate before making such statements. This guy is a disgrace to Christianity and if anything this may as well be a cult.

  • Winston - 2011-05-24 13:01

    Inbreds all of them... They should not be allowed to procreate! they should be removed from the gene pool...

  • maguire - 2011-05-24 13:08

    WHEN WILL JESUS COME : Answers from the Bible (No one knows the day or hour) Mark 13:32 “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father”. Matthew 25:13 “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh”. Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” Luke 12:40 “Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not” Matthew 24:42 “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come” Matthew 24:44 “Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh” HOW WILL JESUS’S SECOND COMING BE LIKE (There will be no secret rapture) Acts 1:10 “And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Acts 1:11 “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” Revelation 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen”.

      R013 - 2011-05-24 14:35

      Camping somehow missed these verses.

      oxygen - 2011-05-24 15:08

      Behold he cometh with clouds...............?????????????????? Is he coming on a golden chariot or is he free-falling? GOOD GRIEF MAN

      x - 2011-05-25 07:47

      I think the Raeleans have it right: Jesus is actually an alien and will be arriving in a spaceship. Mary was artificially insemenated by aliens (hence the 'angels' references) and the spaceship then followed them (the star of Beth) to monitor the hybrid birth. Nearly all the other incidences around Jesus can be explained with this theory. You have to love the Bible - you can prove nearly anything you want to by using it.

  • daaivark - 2011-05-24 13:14

    I HAVE IT! We're all wrong. The world did indeed come to an end, and what we have now is all part of God's dream.

      Cuba12 - 2011-05-24 14:17

      And God's dream is actually the Matrix... and Neo is really Julius, Trinity is Kurt Darren and Morpheous is Helen Zille I'd watch that

      Warren Pridgeon - 2011-05-24 16:19

      One word: Inception

  • ettienne.mans - 2011-05-24 13:22

    He's funny!

  • SayWhat? - 2011-05-24 13:47

    This poophole must get locked up in the looney bin!! I think his (and everyone like him) believes are dangerous..

  • Andre Smit - 2011-05-24 14:20

    Moron, the bible says 'it is not appointed for man to know the date of judgement'. I will have a party on Oct 22, just like I did on May 22nd

      geewiz - 2011-05-24 15:05

      The Bible says that if a prophet's words does not come true, he must be STONED! It's time we apply that law here, this man is a disgrace for all true Bible-believing Christians. But he also exposed what i call "lazy people" who loves being spoon-fed.

      slg - 2011-05-24 22:38

      The only judgement that exists or will ever exist is that which humans do to themselves. God does not judge.

      RiRo1 - 2011-05-25 09:39

      @slg You again... LOL Well, the Bible says God is a rightheous Judge... Yes, people judge, but they shouldn't. We should all just judge ourselves...

  • Joe - 2011-05-24 14:25

    how many morons are still gonna buy this? maybe when november rolls around he'll lick the end of a 45 cal. I know we could start a new thing that is just the opposite of the rapture...Oh wait all the suckers are already beleiving that guess we wouldn't have any followers!!

  • Sir Pageno - 2011-05-24 15:07

    If someone wants to spend their money on supporting people like Camping I can't say I have a problem. However, what effect does this have on children? Pretending I am six years old I ask myself.. If my pastor, mother, and father all tell me the world will end tomorrow, and then it doesn't, how do I reconcile my faith in them? How will I feel when our family has no more money because we believed in someone like Camping. What kind of signals are we sending to our children when we support these kinds of predictions. Should the media ignore them?

  • Wilson - 2011-05-24 15:07

    cant say much really but i think this man definately crossed the line. hope God forgives him.....

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:43

      He deficately crossed the loo - but he definitely is not well!

  • clifford peter viljoen - 2011-05-24 15:34

    Camping ,I couldn't resist,but I have nominated you for this years Darwin Awards you lucky bugger ;)

  • Mr.Migs - 2011-05-24 15:37

    If i had one thing to say to Camping it would be, head up man!!Everybody makes mistakes.Its not the end of the world!

  • Chris Wright - 2011-05-24 15:38

    An Irishman's take on the Rapture -

  • Cire - 2011-05-24 15:53

    Good, so we have as little while yet

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:44

      Just as well - I need to get that slice sorted before I play in the USA!

  • Errol - 2011-05-24 16:01

    Oh my!!! When will this false prophet admit he is wrong. Yes he is a false prophet for the Bible identifies false prophets as those whose predictions are not fulfilled. Please people don't think that all Christians think like Harold Campings. The great commission that our Lord gave his disciples was not to try and work out times and seasons but to make disciples of all nations. When the Lord comes is his business, ours is to witness to the wonder of God's salvation in Christ and that he commands people everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who alone is the way and the truth and the life, the only way to God.

  • Jakob - 2011-05-24 16:05

    sorry to bring it 2 u christians, but u all r in hell, and lucifer aka jesus died and said if u believe in him, u can get into heaven, but only into tricking u 2 believe in a fake god, the fallen one to b exact . every human being will b punished 4 their sins, u only thought u can get off light footed if u believe someone else died 4 ur sins. it is easier isn't it? but u wud never admit that, because u cannot accept a LIE like that.

      Kevin in Brisbane - 2011-05-25 10:53

      What the hell are you rambling on about? Was this on the Sci-Fi Channel?

  • Messenger11.11 - 2011-05-24 18:14

    If there truly was a Rapture coming (and we all should know that the "Rapture is just a metaphor), Camping would NOT be chosen. He is a symbol of ego and selfishness. He coulda used all that money they blew on advertising and promoting his point of view to help ease the suffering of victims of catastrophes, the poor, the hungry, etc... Instead, they spent millions on bilboards to prove to everyone how he is right.

  • Greg - 2011-05-24 18:40

    False prophets are highlighted and warned about in the Bible. These people bring Christians into disrepute. They must read Matthew 24 before making these kinds of statements and predictions.

      Jakob - 2011-05-24 18:55

      thats if u believe in christ, me in the old testament freak.. no jebus 4 me ty

      Jakob - 2011-05-24 18:57

      gullible christians.. lol shame...

      Mike - 2011-05-25 08:45

      Greg - please wake up - your bible is so full of contradictions it is a huge joke - get a life and forget about the church and religion!

  • Hjominbonrun - 2011-05-25 06:34

    There's a market for fleecing the stupid. If it wasn't this guy it would be someone else. So his New date is an attempt to make sure that his customers don't go shop somewhere else.

  • virginiagreenwoodwarner - 2011-05-25 08:13

    If people are so stupid they might just as well also believe in fairies!! Religion - what can one say!!!

  • Val Waldeck - 2011-05-25 08:21

    He doesn't give up, does he?!!

  • LGVS - 2011-05-25 08:55


      Mike - 2011-05-25 13:41

      Yes - you're right - it is the DA who are the best!