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US slams Pakistan minister's movie bounty

2012-09-24 09:14

Washington - The US condemned a Pakistani government minister's offer of a bounty to kill the maker of an anti-Islam film that has triggered violent protests around the Muslim world.

As demonstrators held more rallies against the film - this time in Hong Kong, Turkey, Greece, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Bangladesh - even Pakistan's government distanced itself from the comments by its Railways Minister, Ghulam Ahmed Bilour.

On Saturday, Bilour offered a $100 000 "prize" for killing the filmmaker of Innocence of Muslims - an amateurish film made in the US - and invited the Taliban and al-Qaeda to take part in the "noble deed".

The State Department weighed in on Sunday, with an official recalling that US President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "have both said the video at the core of this is offensive, disgusting, and reprehensible".

"But that is no justification for violence and it is important for responsible leaders to stand up and speak out against violence. Therefore we find Mr Bilour's announcement is inflammatory and inappropriate," the official added in a statement.

Rejection


In Pakistan, Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf rejected the bounty offer.

"This is not government policy. We completely dissociate [ourselves] from this," said a spokesperson for the prime minister's office.

Fresh rallies were held across Pakistan on Sunday to condemn the film after violent nationwide protests on Friday left 21 people dead when police used tear gas and live rounds to fight back protesters.

More than 50 people have died in protests and attacks around the world linked to the low-budget film, which mocks Islam and the Prophet Muhammed, since the first demonstrations on 11 September. Four US officials, including the ambassador to Libya, were killed in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

The publication on Wednesday of cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammed in French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo has further stoked anger.

In France, an 18-year-old man who used Facebook to threaten the magazine's editors was charged on Sunday with terrorism-related activity, a judicial source said.

Police arrested the teenager in the southern city of Toulon on Wednesday after he was reported by a person close to him who was concerned about his radicalism.

Revenge attack

Police found several knives at his residence and said the man had threatened to go after those in charge of the weekly.

Meanwhile, an influential US lawmaker cast doubt over whether there was even an anti-American protest going on when the American ambassador to Libya was killed in an attack on the consulate in Benghazi.

The Obama administration initially said it believed extremists had not really planned the attack in Libya but rather had simply used a spontaneous protest over the anti-Islamic trailer as cover to mix in with the crowd and attack with weapons that included rocket-propelled grenades.

The White House for the first time on Thursday described the assault as a "terrorist attack" and said it could have links to al-Qaeda. But a Republican lawmaker cast doubt on Sunday over whether the protests even happened.

"I have seen no information that shows that there was a protest going on as you have seen around any other embassy at the time," Mike Rogers, chair of the House intelligence committee, told CNN's State of the Union programme.

"The notion about the film... I think the administration was ill-advised to push down that road," he added.

Rogers said he believed it was a revenge attack timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of 9/11 but that it wasn't clear if the militants had known Stevens was there or just got lucky.

"This had to be a pre-planned event. We know it was an act of terrorism. I think the administration has come to the conclusion it's an act of terrorism now," he said.

The State Department is under rising scrutiny about what appears to be inadequate security for Stevens and the consulate in Benghazi before the attack.

Comments
  • Shirley Van Heerden - 2012-09-24 09:24

    If we all agree that an eye for an eye is acceptable, the world would soon be filled with blind people. For pete sake - it is only a sick movie made by a sick idiot! Treat it with the disgust it deserves. All this fuss must give the sicko director such a kick.

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-09-24 09:35

      @Shirley: Totally agree with you there, i mean any other religion would just laugh it off. But these guys go around killing innocent people, i can only conclude that the film may have some truth to it, why react so violently if its simply not true?

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-24 10:01

      The best, true to form, they are mostly killing other muslims. They must be deranged.

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-09-24 10:03

      Shirley you can do what you want, say what you want, think what you want all these things happening has been predicted and written so it must tak place so what has been written should be fullfilled bottom line

      SaintBruce - 2012-09-24 10:12

      Sadly, the Muslim world has tried to tell us that Islam is peaceful. They lied. Everyone wants to back-peddle to accommodate the Muslim view of everything and even now as they commit murder and violence over someone pointing out that their beloved Mohammed was a cruel womanizing killer [something they don't deny]. The Egyptian who made the movie was misguided at best and perhaps has a personal agenda against Islamic treatment of Coptic Christians so has used this movie to highlight that fact. Of course, no one dares comment on the truths he has tried to uncover as this would not be politically correct while the murders committed in response are 'redirected' as unrelated terror attacks ! We are missing the point people. Islam is NOT peaceful as the Muslim would tell you. The Koran [ Qur'an ] commands killing in it's religious objectives. Don't be fooled.

      jock.black.50 - 2012-09-24 10:31

      If my religion teaches me to disrespect women and kill innocent people i.e. 911, and thousands of suicide bombings etc. then I'll rather switch religion or become an atheist...cause these teachings can never be from GOD. With all due respect I think Muslims are really hateful and arrogant and they don't understand there are many other religions and beliefs as well, THEY ARE NOT GOD'S GIFT TO THIS PLANET... and this they have surely proven by now.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-24 10:36

      If Muslims around the world condemned the film,then why do they burn effigies of US President Obama?Is it simply because its in their nature to overreact and having any odd reason or excuse for hating America? With a country like Pakistan that has so much poverty,wouldn't it be more sensible to better spend that money on more deserving local people instead of just throwing it around and looking for troube with the West? Pakistan had been a real ***hole since the War on Terror began.It consistently charges NATO allied nations unacceptably high amounts of money just to transfer their supplies through their country and has made deliberate attempts in the past in preventing America to bomb the Taliban strongholds. America should stop giving Pakistan Foreign Aid and make them stand on their own two feet fullstop.

      abuMuhammadalifriqi - 2012-09-24 10:37

      Well the Minister is practising his right to 'Freedom of Speech', whether his wrong or right that you decide, but hes has the right to say what he feels after all its only words?

      toofaan.monsoon - 2012-09-24 10:54

      @abuMuhammadalifriqi : that's not strictly true. There is no difference between what he did vs someone who pays a hitman to kill his wife. There are limits to freedom of expression especially when it comes to incitement. I agree that the objective of the films director probably was to incite some kind of reaction as well, but there is never an excuse for instigating violence on a perceived slight.and public figures have a greater responsibility - that idiot represents the Pakistani people and has just painted them as a bunch of blood-thirsty morons to the rest of the world. He also called on the Taliban and Al Queda to help, while Pakistan's apparent policy is to fight these terrorists. Just because he is a highly placed official, it lends credence to the view that Palistan is not an ally in the fight against Terror, but is actually the enemy itself. The West knows this and this idiot just confirmed it.. Why do you think nobody told Pakistan about the plan to get Bin-Laden ?

      abuMuhammadalifriqi - 2012-09-24 10:56

      ok if its incitement, then the video should also be labelled as incitement and the director has to be prosecuted along with all the muslims that reacted violently

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-24 11:08

      And these crazy leaders have nuclear bombs.........!!!!! And than the violent loony left, wonders why the whole world is against those relgious psychopaths in Iran having same !!!!!

      ISO - 2012-09-24 11:21

      QAbu - the movie this guy made, is merely a form of freedom of speech....i see double standars here!

      dale.simmons.7921 - 2012-09-24 11:28

      @abuMuhammadalifriqi. No! The film did not incite people to attack embassys and go on a rampage. It my have been poorly made and in poor taste etc etc but nowhere in the film did it advocate violence against anyone or property. Muslim reaction to the film was violent and those actions are unacceptable as is the placing an advertisement inviting people to murder others. In islamic states where rape victims are stoned to death for being promiscuous, I can understand why concept of freedom of speech vs incitement is not understood.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-24 11:40

      No Salma, it is YOU , who has one violent imagination !! And it must be all a bit confusing for you, but the USA, did not use nuclear weapons in Vietnam !!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-24 15:46

      Salma makes things up and then passionately promotes them even when they are totally wrong and would lead to her own demise.

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:42

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-09-24 09:50

    Leave the violence, killing & intimidation. Learn to love your enemies, it pisses them off more..!!

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:43

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-24 09:52

    If your religion is worth murdering for please start with your own first.

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:43

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-24 09:57

    Charge that moronic so-called minister with conspirancy of murder.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-24 10:57

      Pakistan is a failed state. One coup after the other etc.

  • ted.byrne.18 - 2012-09-24 10:07

    When someone can explain why 'religion' (that has killed and had so many killed in the name of,while claiming all sorts of 'love and peace' and claiming mine is better than yours)is the answer then maybe we(humans)can learn something,I think for the last 2000 years all we have learnt is to kill if somebody else has a different' religion 'than yours......kinda us and them.....somebody gotta move otherwise the status quo will remain

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:43

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • matthewjames.gracie - 2012-09-24 10:11

    I cannot even put my finger on the number of Christian satirical pieces that are publicly promoted, and humoured. Yet one film that takes a stab at Islam makes Youtube, the whole middle east goes nuts, and innocent people start dying. If you endorse these protests, then all you are doing is enforcing the stereotypes people place on the Islamic world. One would think the Islamic community would counteract this with more upstanding means, and publicly address it like human beings.

      abuMuhammadalifriqi - 2012-09-24 10:51

      the violent reactions of my Muslim Brothers is something unjustified in Islam, they are based on emotions, we are taught not to let our emotions cause us to be unjust towards anyone even in the time of war, In South Africa we have a muslim population exceeding 2million, have you seen any violent protest? have you experienced any suicide bombers? in-fact the muslims of South Africa has contributed greatly to South Africa and they are mostly law abiding citizens. Coming back to the reactions of muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya etc, what do these muslims have in common could there be an external factor that has brought these emotions to a boiling point? the answer is a big Yes, its called politics, foreign intervention in their lives is the reason for these violent protests, a group of muslims uses Islam to justify their reaction yes, but the root cause is POLITICS and not Islam.

      dale.simmons.7921 - 2012-09-24 14:15

      @ Salma. Pagad firmly wore the muslim badge and the bombing of Planet Hollywood had everything to do with their hatred of anything and everything American, and nothing to do with "People Against Drugs And Gangsterism". It may have started out as a noble organisation to combat drugs and crime but the religious islamic zealots within it used it to promote terrorism to further religio-politilical ends. Very disingenuous to suggest that muslims had nothing to do with that violence. And for a fact the information leading to the arrest of the terrorists was not as easily forthcoming from your muslim leaders as you claim.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-24 15:51

      Salma believes the US used atomic weapons in Vietnam. Salma believes anything that is anti-US, but blindly obeys and promotes the chauvinism that would see her own stoning.

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:43

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-09-24 10:17

    US President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "have both said the video at the core of this is offensive, disgusting, and reprehensible". I haven't seen the video and am not going to bother looking it up but if what they say is true the Pakistani minister makes sense to me...more sense than random violence and protest all over the world. We should start bringing rabble rousers to book and maybe we will have less nonsense huh?

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-24 10:20

    Charge that moronic so-called minister with conspirancy of murder.

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:43

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-24 10:33

    If Muslims around the world condemned the film,then why do they burn effigies of US President Obama?Is simply because its in their nature to overreact and having any odd reason or excuse for hating America? With a country like Pakistan that has so much poverty,wouldn't it be more sensible to better spend that money on more deserving local people instead of just throwing it around and looking for troube with the West? Pakistan had been a real ***hole since the War on Terror began.It consistently charges NATO allied nations unacceptably high amounts of money just to transfer their supplies through their country and has made deliberate attempts in the past in preventing America to bomb the Taliban strongholds. America should stop giving Pakistan Foreign Aid and make them stand on their own two feet fullstop.

  • abuMuhammadalifriqi - 2012-09-24 10:34

    Freedom of Speech

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-24 12:22

      only when it suits you....

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:43

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • PointBlank - 2012-09-24 10:45

    Gee, Islam. Crazy religion full of crazy people. And still no condemnation from 'moderate' muslims against the violence and murder. And they call this a 'peaceful and loving' religion? There are none so blind...

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-24 10:58

      There's been some in Libya in response to Chris Stevens' and his colleagues' murders, but not enough around the world. Unless there has and it just doesn't make for sensationalist enough news.

      abuMuhammadalifriqi - 2012-09-24 11:01

      the violent actions has been condemned here on news 24 and internationally, in our masaajid the violence has been condemned on our radio stations the violence has been condemned what more do you want from us, you incite the violence and you expect us to extinguish the fire?

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:44

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-24 10:52

    Ag cute. We 'heart' Mohammed. He'll be so impressed that his little minions made him such cute little signs, set such cute little fires and committed such cute little murders for him.

  • Omnivore - 2012-09-24 11:02

    Who is intervening in the affairs of Pakistan? Unlike India, the country has been a mess since independence.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-24 15:52

      Salma likes to blame everything on the US. So much easier than thinking.

      OrbitingTeapot - 2012-09-24 17:42

      @ Salma. A comment like that to a man in Pakistan would earn you a stoning to death!

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:44

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • Iqhawe_eliqotho - 2012-09-24 11:19

    Please people remember that as long as we have democrats we will have autocrats. As long as we have liberals there are conservs and for all the moderately tempered individuals we have copious amounts of extremists. Catholicism is not Christianity, Zionism is not Judaism and Al-Qaeda is not Islam. None of the three Holy books ever support or encourage killing on any basis. These are fabrications brought about over time to "deal" with those who do not want to accept a teachings imposed on them. Killing is universally frowned upon by adherents to the truth of the scripture, regardless of the Book. Please all stop the Qur'an bashing, read that book and tell us if anywhere it says murder is justified. Muslims, go and read the Bible and Torah; Jews, go and read the Qur'an and Bible; Christians, go and read the Qur'an and Torah. All these books contain the words of The Almighty, peace, love and social justice. If you are any kind of religious you will do this to become better in your faith.

      dale.simmons.7921 - 2012-09-24 12:45

      @ Ie. "Please all stop the Qur'an bashing, read that book and tell us if anywhere it says murder is justified." Err....ummm....I just have been reading it. Seeing you haven't let me quote just a fraction of the violent passages for you... Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" (No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle) Are you going to read the holy books now or do you want me to read them to you?

      derek.wright.7370 - 2012-09-24 13:02

      Please man, do any other faiths carry on like this? Look at Nigeria, the Islamists are blowing up people at worship in churches. Do their Christians blow up people at worship in Mosques? I think not.

      Iqhawe_eliqotho - 2012-09-24 14:46

      And no reasonable person would read or quote out of context if they honestly wished to find the truth. Rather read from Qur'an 5:32-34. You will find that it is first stated that the taking of another's life is generally forbidden although deemed logical, as the then law of the land states, if in retaliation to the same act committed against you. Eye for an eye type situation. The following i believe is your quote which details a penalty for antagonism. This description has an uncanny similarity to the penalty imposed by pharaoh on adherents to Moses's teachings. This found its way into the writings as it was one of the more severe punishments understandable in that era and meant for the worst of the lot, i.e) those against pharaoh or to the believers those opposing The Lord. It was the action ardent followers would want to take, but in verse 34 after the content you quoted, it says should one realise his action and be repentant then remember that The All Mighty is most merciful and forgiving, therefore spare them the punishment you desire. In current context. I enjoy boxing and often watch the sport. If i were in that diner when the robber who took Mr. Sanders's life pulled that trigger and i saw his face. At the 1st opportunity of turned tables when i can decide on his fate, i would want to do a little more than shoot him. What more Mr. Sanders's family, they would want much more than just a bullet for him. Please remember fellow commenters, scripture needs context.

      Iqhawe_eliqotho - 2012-09-24 14:49

      Small addition. Please let us all try and refrain from condescending tones in replies or comments posted. It just stirs emotions and blurs objectivism.

      OrbitingTeapot - 2012-09-24 16:17

      Why when unsavory scriptures are quoted , apologists always say "you have taken it out of context" or "you must understand that at that time" etc etc. Do those words not say what it it says? If the text was valid at the time it was written then surely the books are invalid and past the sell-by date in THESE times? What is the point of having a book that tells you to kill if you feel your diety has been offended but then with some imaginative twisting of literature the same violence can be turned into a message of love? The bible is no different in this regard. The fact that "moderate" theists can justify their actions from the same book as "violent" theists points to a problem somewhere not so? Millions have been murdered, and are still to be murdered in the name of bronze age superstition. I am not interested in the mental gymnastics of apologists. I have thoroughly studied both books, and both contain violent text, amongst other unpleasant text. I hold all, "moderate" and "violent", believers of their respective faiths accountable for perpetuating and contributing to a belief system than CAN BE and is frequently interpreted by their own followers as a ticket to commit violence. Religion has always, and always will require fear, threats and subjugation as its pillar of survival.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-24 17:17

      Only a degenerate criminal could have written the Koran. The Koran is a handbook for war, murder, rape, pillaging, looting, terrorising, subjugation of man, woman and child, sodomy, paedophilia, wanton executions of the innocent, even children and the hanging or stoning of women. The list is endless. Today a man like that would get life in prison, which is where he belongs.

      Iqhawe_eliqotho - 2012-09-24 17:41

      Valid point. In analyses of textually documented events though, whether current or archaic, one must always analyse the context, only in the spirit of fairness. The validity of scriptures and holistic objectives cannot be discredited on the premise of a few misinterpreted passages. As the freedom of choice is a gift from The Creator it must be acknowledged and allowed whether religious or not, but unfortunately extremists too use the same gift to adulterate or misrepresent what was meant to be pure and good with tools less wholesome. Unfortunately i will have to disagree with the idea that religion is or was ever superstition. Religion is a set of beliefs and principles established by The Almighty and taught to the world by His selected messengers. It's just a shame that they all only came about long ago and once each which has made us somewhat aloof from their teachings as they pre-date our context but are all still applicable for our vertical (The Creator-to-man) and amicable horizontal (man-to-man) interaction.

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:44

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

      dale.simmons.7921 - 2012-09-24 18:15

      @ Ie. I want to exercise my right to the "free will of god" that is bandied about by every religion. I want to tell god to take a running jump. So according to his benevolent gift of free will I will not suffer his wrath, right? Ahh I don't think so, not at least according to scripture. "You can chose to worship any god, that's cool with me, as along as you worship me and only me!" Apparently I am going to suffer for eternity for exercising the free will he gave me? Hence the reason why a god, any god, and its supporting dogma requires the threat of violence to remain valid.

  • nicholas.breakey - 2012-09-24 11:34

    If he was elected by the people and not opposed after this statement, bomb Pakistan.

      tabib.asnan.3 - 2012-09-24 17:44

      Well done. We have already forgotten the original offence and the victim is again the terrorist. Antisemetic and homphobic comments are unacceptable, but muslims should not be offended. I hope that the racists commenting will cease before they poison their own souls. Watch the divine book on youtube. Peace.

  • kafantaris2 - 2012-09-24 19:48

    It is becoming increasingly clear that Islam has been intertwined with government for so long that Muslims cannot fathom their countries without it. Though this may be difficult for the rest of us to understand, we should still recognize it as a distinguishing fact of most Muslim countries. But it is their fact not ours. We should not set our clock back centuries to accommodate the Muslim mindset or lack of understanding of basic concepts of individual freedom. It is they who should bring their ideas up to speed and in pace with the modern world. The Muslim leaders should, therefore, continue to educate their citizens on the ways of other countries; that people elsewhere are free from their government to worship the God they want, and are also free to offend the God that others worship; that this is how it must be if religious freedom is to have meaning since protection is not needed when others agree with you. Moreover, Muslim leaders should explain that forcing others to honor Prophet Mohamed can be deemed as forcing them to some extent to adopt the Muslim religion itself. As others cannot impose foreign religious etiquette on Muslims, neither should they impose their reverence of Prophet Mohamed. It is imperative that Muslims learn the workings of individual freedoms so that they can harmoniously play their rightful role in the 21st Century.

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