Ukraine under fire for anti-gay bill

2012-10-05 22:18

KievHuman rights bodies have condemned moves by Ukraine to introduce prison terms for the "promotion of homosexuality", saying a new law went against the former Soviet republic's commitments.

Earlier this week and ahead of an 28 October election, Ukraine's parliament gave preliminary approval to a law whose authors said homosexuality was a threat to national security.

The bill will help deputies, most of whom are running for re-election, strike a chord with voters who hold a predominantly negative view of homosexuality.

Rupert Colville, the spokesperson for Navi Pillay - the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights , told reporters in Geneva on Friday the law was "clearly discriminatory" and ran counter to Ukraine's international commitments to freedom of expression and information.

"It may also undermine the rights to health and equality before the law, and raises serious question marks over the country's adherence to fundamental human rights values."

Nils Muiznieks, the Council of Europe's Commissioner for Human Rights, said: "I am seriously concerned by the fact that the Ukrainian Parliament is about to pass a law which would criminalise the promotion of homosexuality.

"Laws banning LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex) issues mark a worrying step back towards a bygone era when homosexuals were treated like criminals."

The European Union has repeatedly criticised Ukraine, which wants to join the 27-nation bloc eventually, over issues of human rights and democracy.

The EU shelved a landmark association agreement with Ukraine after opposition politician Yulia Tymoshenko was sentenced to seven years last October for abusing her power when prime minister.

Homosexuality itself is legal in Ukraine where a 2011 poll conducted by the Gorshenin Institute, a local think tank, found 78% of Ukrainians viewed it negatively.

Gay community leaders had to call off a planned "Pride" rally in Kiev in May after hundreds of anti-gay activists showed up.

On Thursday, Serbia was told it must better protect human rights if it wants to join the EU after banning Belgrade Pride - a march by gay activists planned for Saturday.

The EU, United Nations and Amnesty International were among those denouncing the ban.

  • zaatheist - 2012-10-06 04:20

    You will find that the religibots are behind this, they always are. Brainwashed with hatred from the cradle.

      dustin.mccrindle.5 - 2012-10-06 06:31

      Hey man. How u doing? Listen, I've got a quick question for is religion to blame for this when over 60% (62.5% in 2006 survey) of ukraneans are non-religious, or have no religious affilliation? And the country was under Soviet rule for years

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-06 11:16

      Not only gay but atheist..unhappy childhood zaatheist?

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-10-06 12:51

      Don't bother Zaath. To these bigots, anyone who supports gay rights, are gay themselves, and all atheists had an unhappy childhood. Their hate for anything different, is indoctrinated into their bones.

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-06 17:38

      If its so cool to be a gay why you should bother yourself and deny that you are not the one?

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-10-06 20:43

      Umm, Diana. Your grammar is confusing...

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-06 21:01

      My grammar might be confusing, not my orientation.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-10-07 08:49

      Ok, dear, what are you implying?

      hudayfah.newman - 2012-10-07 10:36

      Zaathiest you know being gay is not a crime here in S.A. I always see you walking up and down between the religious articles(seeing that you're an atheist, its understandable), and the gay articles. Is there something you want to tell us? And your wife and kids perhaps?

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-07 12:05

      Well you look even more confused than me. I am a woman, why you addressing me as "dear"?

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-10-07 15:28

      I was going for condescension, without the rudeness. That is how I usually address little girls...

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-10-07 15:30

      BTW, I'm still waiting for you to explain what you are implying with 17:38 and 21:01...

  • Pulverturm - 2012-10-06 08:47

    You've got to be pretty barbaric to still hate gay people in this day in age. Shame, a lot of people must be deeply closeted in the Ukrain!

      hazel.vanschalkwyk1 - 2012-10-06 09:42

      leave them, they have the freedom to love or hate who they wish, if the gays dont like it let them move to America or some other gay friendly country

      phoenix.px.5 - 2012-10-06 17:32

      Hazel are you still in South Africa??? If so, why?

  • - 2012-10-06 09:03

    I'm totally against homosexuality in any form.But if you catch someone beating them up and you tell them thats not a Godly thing to do.They swear at you and say 'don't tell me about God'.It sounds more like atheists and worldly people beating them up!

      james.hurley.5249 - 2012-10-06 16:27

      what a ridiculously stupid comment. It's religious fundamentalism largely at the root of most homophobia (otherwise why would people desperately clutch at leviticus every time they needed 'proof' homosexuality is 'wrong'? You're against homosexuality in any form? Well done. I'm against idiocy in any form. Too bad you epitomise it.

      markus.fischer.334 - 2012-10-06 18:06

      From a scriptual point of view I'm sure that you're against the inferiorization of women.....something clearly supported by Paul of the new testament. You just pick and choose which scriptures to put in their historical context and which not....How very Narrow minded you are!

  • - 2012-10-06 09:03

    I'm totally against homosexuality in any form.But if you catch someone beating them up and you tell them thats not a Godly thing to do.They swear at you and say 'don't tell me about God'.It sounds more like atheists and worldly people beating them up!

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-06 11:11

    I think the EU has lost its way on the issue of human rights,did they consider the rights of all the innocents killed in Libya?I think not so take your human rights and stuff it where it fits best!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-07 15:44

      Dumb. In your world Gaddafi would have been allowed to slaughter tens of thousands more Libyans, and detain, torture and have raped even more. Sad that humans can be so hateful and stupid.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-13 01:54

      Hello! Your wife is a bigot.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-06 17:36

    Why shouldn't those qu''rs rights supporters from the EU create some kind of a safe house and welcome all the abused and despised to stay there and be sheltered for life? If people of Ukraine dont want to "convert" themselves well its also a part of their human rights which should be respected by europithecines.

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-08 22:18

      Diana Gill is a Ukrainian so has a vested interest in being a bigot (don't let the anglicized name fool you). She also posted a video of the racist 'De La Rey' song to her Facebook page, with the message 'long live the boervolk'. Right-wing nutjob alert.

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-13 01:27

      @James must be really thankful to you for a free promotion. Carry on pleease! and Viva Koos de La Rey! My hero and a real man who never took it up!

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-13 01:45

      Oh by the way why i do not want to go back to Ukraine? Trust me i want it so much at least for the sake of speaking freely against you, stuff-packers (eat it, capetonian p@@S) But... since i am married i have committed myself to my wonderful husband (well i'd better stop praising him in front of you or... who knows if you wont try and snatch him away from me:P) and not going to move my butt anywhere. If it comes to that i am prepared to take my double barrel and fight shoulder to shoulder. We will see where your rainbow flag will be stuffed.

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-13 10:30

      @Diana you're vile, I'm sure you wouldn't speak like that in front of your child. Fact is you're a bigot, and racism has no place in this country (nor does homophobia). So go back to Ukraine where you belong. Take your husband (who I would not 'try to steal' let alone touch in a million years) with you. Ok darling?

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-13 10:35

      @Diana, what is more, you display most of the ignorance of one who does not know the first thing about gay people. We do not 'go after' every man we see (as we are just as selective as straight people). I would never try to get with a man I know to be straight, as I know it's a pointless excercise (no less a married man because I would consider that unethical). If you are so worried about your husband that you think homosexual people will 'steal' him away, maybe you need to question why you are so fearful of his sexuality.

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-13 10:57

      Hey jamie why should i try and learn something about you people? Not interested, tnx. You think you so bloody special so be happy with that. Anyway feels that you're having vision problems, i am writing that i am not going to move my @rse neither my husband (after all it his country so if my presence makes it very uncomfortable for your bottom cheeks still you have to count on his right to stay). Or maybe you wanna try and make me move, DARLING? P.S. If you want to carry on with this meaningless conversation you welcome and please do not forget to mention every time you come across my posts that i am Ukrainian (by the way only half Ukrainian, my mother was Russian so hope it will make the case even worse), that i am a racist (at least i am not sacred to declare it openly) and that i feel for the Afrikaans people. You would do me a huge favor. Otherwise i am getting finished with a cat-fight, you go find yourself a @itch and have some fun.

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-13 12:26

      @Diana - the point is that if you don't know the first thing about 'you people' (I'm assuming you mean the diverse, heterogenous 'group' to which I supposedly 'belong'), you aren't qualified to comment on us. I never said I think i'm special. But I deserve basic human rights, just the same as anyone else, and no matter what you think, I WILL have them. You're a sad, bitter person and I feel sorry for your child, to be raised in a hate-filled environment by a twisted c**t.

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-13 12:27

      You're living in a country where discrimination based on sexual orientation is against the law, so suck it up sweetheart.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-13 13:45

      james.hurley.1401 Diana never said she is against your human rights but rather expresses her own human rights to add her support to any population group in SA that she should choose.It seems its your ilk who have a major chip on your shoulders,one can see it via your over the top display of your sexuality during your gay right parades,frankly its disgusting in my mind,but then this is just my humble view is all and I will use my freedom of expression to illustrate my feelings on the matter.I can remember as a child being enticed to some young mans flat in Claremont and them doing their best to induct me into their sexual orientation,I can also remember being approached on Plumstead station and having a note passed into my young hand and this note said"I would like to milk your lizzard"as I boarded the train!So dont speak to me about your human rights to be gay and that I should respect them'.One of my own older cousins was gay and warned me that I should not think he was only my friend but that he was gay and might develop some sexual feelings towards me..his own father,my uncle came one night to our house and tried to grope me and afterwards said he was just testing if his son had corrupted me,or so he wanted me to believe.So my gay friend I have plenty reason to feel my young human rights was infringed upon and as is usual you people always like to paint yourselves with a lily white color but the truth is often far more sinister!

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-13 17:55

      @ Dunkie - wow so much wrong with everything you've said here. For a start - Diana is suggesting that there should be a place where 'all the abused and despised' are sent to stay - this sounds like the suggestion of a gay gulag. Not at ALL an abuse of human rights being advocated there. As for your claims to people trying to 'indoctrinate' you into being gay, they sound ludicrous, but if they're true that still doesn't say anything about my sexuality, as I would do none of those things. The fact that your own uncle supposedly tried to grope you says more of the kind of family you were raised in than homosexuality in general. You only think of homosexuality in terms of seedy cruising and attempting to grope people, whereas my boyfriend and I courted in an old-fashioned way and do not loiter on stations. As for gay pride parades, I've never been on one, nor am I over the top. If you can not recognize hate speech and malicious slander when you see it, that's your problem. It has nothing to do with freedom of expression. I don't consider myself free to denigrate black people as a race, because I know there is no logical basis for it, and because I don't think there are any 'essential' characteristics of any one group. But keep believing in your myth of 'predatory' homosexuality. Heterosexuals span the gamut from predatory to 'normal' in their sexuality, just as gay people do.

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-13 18:13

      @Dunkie - oh I've just realised she's your wife. Then your opinion on what she says isn't at all partisan, no, never! I feel sorry for both of your children, that they will be raised in an environment where they are taught the lie that homosexuals are all predatory. Hopefully they will grow up to be more enlightened than you both.

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-13 18:16

      My main point is that if people 'lure' young people (who have to be pretty misinformed to fall for that in the first place), that is not reflective of every person of their sexual orientation. It's like saying, if one white person lies, all white people are liars. There is no logic in reading the actions of the few as par for the course for the many. Keep fooling yourself.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-13 18:18

      james.hurley.1401 You seem to have decided I was talking specifically about you. Don't know you so how you take this personally,was generalizing about my experiences and explaining my feelings about homosexuality in general.As for Diana's views on gay people she also has her right to state her feelings and is certainly not a c**t as you so vilely have put it.This type of language does not suit this forum, as it was implied and this again shows the viciousness of your type once pushed into a corner.I believe it is you who must examine your upbringing as you are contrary to the norm and while I certainly don't advocate that you should commit suicide as a result I do think you should seriously consider what has brought you to your present outcome!It might just be a healthy exercise for you.Now it is a known fact that normal sexually orientated people do find it uncomfortable in your presence and fail to really understand what drives your sexual preferences!So you will have to recognize that gay men or women are always going to be ostracized by those who are straight.I feel pity for you and your ilk and can understand how hard it is for you to find peace in your life styles.My experience has been that generally gay men find it difficult to find a life partner and often the roles are confused between them.This level of frustration boils over into the type of behavior common in gay right parades.Societies like Ukraine have all the right to deem it provocative and unsightly!

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-10-14 01:03

      @Dunkie - wrong on every count again. Might I remind you that your beloved, saintly wife began the vileness, by calling me a 'capetonian *p@@s* (gee, I wonder what that word could be) and telling me to 'go find yourself a '@itch' (ditto). I should add, you've found yourself a @itch, an ugly (inside and out) one; you can be so proud. Thus I was responding in a language she clearly understands. Secondly:I take it personally, since you refer to my 'type' (I have no 'type', fool). 'One can see it via your over the top display of your sexuality during your gay right parades' - your words, and the word 'your' makes it personal, or do you not understand the workings of basic grammar? As for the inference of 'normal' people, my mother, my father, my sister and countless other straight people love my boyfriend and are simply happy that we have found each other. I don't view being alone as a terrible thing, so if I end up that way, so be it. You have absolutely no 'experience' of gay men - the mere fact you seem to think every gay man preys on men like you at stations (an unlikely story) makes that abundantly clear. I hope, for your child's sake, he/she does not grow up to be gay or lesbian because I know you will be an abusive father in that scenario. Have a nice, blinkered, ignorant life.

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