We won't support statehood: Hamas

2011-09-18 15:56

Gaza City - Hamas on Sunday said it would not back a UN membership bid and warned that no Palestinian leader had a mandate to sacrifice fundamental Palestinian rights.

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, speaking in Gaza, said the group also continued to support the establishment of a Palestinian state on any part of "historical Palestine" but would not seek to disrupt the UN bid.

His comments came as Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas heads to New York to submit a formal bid for UN membership for a Palestinian state on the lines that existed before the 1967 Six Day War.

Speaking to a meeting of the Palestinian legislative council, Haniya warned that Palestinian rights must be protected.

"There is no mandate for any Palestinian leadership to infringe on Palestinian national rights, nor is there a mandate for any Palestinian actor to make historic concessions on Palestinian land or the right of the Palestinians, foremost among them the right of return," he warned.

"Given this position, we reiterate our rejection of this bid," he added.

But the leader of the Islamist group that rules the Gaza Strip stressed that Hamas would "not place obstacles in the way of the establishment of a Palestinian state with full sovereignty".

"We repeat today that we are with the establishment of a Palestinian state on any liberated part of Palestinian land that is agreed upon by the Palestinian people, without recognising Israel or conceding any inch of historical Palestine."

Hamas has made clear it will not throw its support behind Abbas's move, but has toed a cautious line, choosing not to condemn the plan directly.

Historical Palestine

Speaking during the meeting, senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayya said the legislative council should approach the UN for recognition of a Palestinian state on all of "historical Palestine", including areas now in Israel.

He called on the council to "apply for recognition of a Palestinian state on all the Palestinian territory and confirmation of the right of Palestinians to live within the borders of this state".

"We appeal to the UN to invalidate the entity that took the decision to establish itself on the land of another," Hayya said, in reference to Israel.

Hayya called on the international community to "apply pressure to ensure the implementation of international resolutions, particularly those that uphold the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination".

Abbas is expected to present later this week a formal request for UN membership of a Palestinian state on the pre-Six Day War lines, encompassing both Gaza and the West Bank, including annexed Arab east Jerusalem.

The bid is fiercely opposed by Israel and the United States and has divided much of the international community, with Europe and Washington organising last-minute diplomacy in an attempt to head off a Security Council vote on the measure.

  • slg - 2011-09-18 16:06

    The international community took the decision to establish Israel after Jews were virtually exterminated in one of the worst cases, if not the worst case, of genocide in human history. Israel is the historical birthplace of the Jewish people, as much as it is of Palestinians. By Hammas not recognizing Israel and working to eliminate its existence, it would be doing the very thing it is accusing Israel of doing: "establishing itself on the land of another". Personally I think the international community should be working towards a one-state solution: Palestinians and Israelis living in a true democracy, protected by a bill of rights and independent judiciary. Not a two state solution. After all, wouldn't this satisfy the demands of both groups: the right to exist on the land of their historical birthplace?

      Kat - 2011-09-18 17:14

      Israel is the historical birthplace of the Jewish people, BUT most of the Palestinians originate from Jordan. Jordan does not want them back, neither does the rest of the Arab world.

      negro.please - 2011-09-18 17:30

      Anybody have any information on how they got dispersed around their world like today? Like what prompted them to move out or who chased them out?

      slg - 2011-09-18 17:55

      Kat, the fact remains Palestinians do originate from Israel too.

      Kat - 2011-09-18 17:56

      Negro.please. The age old fight has always been for Jerusalem. The Hebrew people were taken captive by Nebuchadnesser/Babylon (10 tribes)and Assirie/Syria (2 tribes) as slaves. They have been hunted and killed by Muslims, Greeks, Romans, Spanish, Roman Catholic Church in the dark ages, Christians etc. The reason, they are God's chosen people.

      Kat - 2011-09-18 18:00

      negro.please - sorry forgot to mention Hitler and his 'final solution' that killed 6 million of them.

      Liberty - 2011-09-18 18:12

      The 1 state solution might be a good idea in theory, but in reality the two groups can't stand one another. They will still be fighting each other

      Kat - 2011-09-18 18:27

      slg, yes they do if you take the borders from the river eufrates to the nile river which is what was Israel's originally.

      Valis - 2011-09-18 18:32

      "Israel is the historical birthplace of the Jewish people" No, it isn't. 85% of all the people who call themselves Jewish today are Ashkenazis, originating from Eastern Europe, the other 15% are Sephardic, originating from the Iberian Peninsula. Not a single Hebrew among them! Just the usual lies from the right-wingers :(

      negro.please - 2011-09-18 18:39

      Kat: If they are God's chosen people, why are they suffering so much? And how did they get so rich with all this suffering going on? And, do you have to be one of those Orthodox Jews to be considered part of the chosen people who will obviously have some reward for being just that? Because Israel doesn't seem to be a state based on Judaism, but rather secular values and the people do not seem to be the type that practice Judaism like what it should which would surely disqualify them from being God's chosen people? The Quraan mentions that they were cursed after they started mutating the religion of Abraham and Moses (which was why Jesus was so pissed off too) and that he decreed they would roam the Earth suffering and never feeling safe, and it turns out that is the case. So I give up, I can't figure out why they just couldn't assimilate with the population that was already there when they got there instead of having to draw borders and say this is mine and this is yours. I just think this has gone one for far too long now and they should come to a compromise for the sake of each other's children.

      slg - 2011-09-18 18:53

      Kat, I thought as much. God does not choose one race over another. Everyone is a spark of God. So how can God make such a choice. It would be choosing something over oneself. Just like Christians believe their path is the only path, the Jewish belief that they are the chosen people is as arrogant and wrong.

      slg - 2011-09-18 18:57

      Kat, on your second point, you're trying to distract from the fact that Palestinians originate from Israel too.

      slg - 2011-09-18 18:59

      Valis, what do you mean not a single Hebrew among them? It's the same thing. The Hebrews of the bible are modern-day Jews, whether Askhanazi or Sephardic. There's a direct link.

      slg - 2011-09-18 19:08

      Liberty, do they not want the same thing: the right to live in Israel? And would one democratic state not be giving them what they essentially want? I don't mean what their destructive selves want, I mean their essential, higher selves.

  • Kat - 2011-09-18 17:11

    'without recognising Israel' That says it all of these 'non-violent, peace abiding' people. They DO NOT want to negotiate, they want to eliminate the whole of Israel and we should bear in mind that Israel is the last defence against the total onslaught of islamification.

      slg - 2011-09-18 17:52

      I disagree. Israel is not the last defense against the total onslaught of islamification. I think this is melodramatic and untrue. Countering extreme Islam is happening in multiple regions, in multiple ways. Is this an echo of the "chosen people" Ego myth?

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-18 18:36

      While i disagree with the totality of Kats sentiment, there IS some truth to it. While most of the middle eastern islamic countries in the vicinity of Israel are currently focusing ALL their attention on israel exclusively, what will they do after Israel is "eliminated", as the Hamas charter calls for? Sure, Extreme islam is being resisted on multiple fronts, but just think how the pressure on these fronts will be increased if Israel is gone.

      Valis - 2011-09-18 18:40

      Here's the thing, your fantasies and delusions are not real. There is *no* invisible sky-fairy, the Babble is a hodge-podge collection of ancient myths and superstitions, and has been re-written many times for political purposes. You can NOT hold that up as "proof" of anything, never mind a serious real life issue like this. These are human beings who are suffering here, we need to stay in touch with reality, and use evidence. "Because Santa Claus said so" is *not* a valid argument.

      slg - 2011-09-18 18:56

      Martin, the dictators and tyrants of the Middle East use the Palestinian issue as a scape-goat in an attempt to distract their people from not having the right to vote and having to live under oppressive rule. It's like the what the Apartheid regime did with the Soviet threat. The new generation are smarter and will have none of it. One hundred million people have already freed themselves. Next should/will be Syria and Iran.

  • zaatheist - 2011-09-18 17:56

    My irony meter just went off scale. Hamas aligning itself with Israel and the US to block Palestinian UN membership.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-18 18:37

      I really can't figure out anymore what Hamas wants.

      zaatheist - 2011-09-18 20:36

      I am unsure as well. It must be some grand plan for the complete destruction of Israel and the elimination of all Jews in the Middle East. I actually support the recognition of a Palestinian state and the immediate stopping of building settlements on conquered land. Having said that (ducking behind a parapet) I also support Israels absolute right to exist but within boundaries negotiated on the basis of the its pre-1967 borders.

      WATCHMAN - 2011-09-20 22:18

      @Martin Du Plessis - read the book Son of Hamas and you will find out that Hamas have always been at logger heads with the PLO from the time of Yasser Arrafat. Visit this site

  • Hochang - 2011-09-24 10:46

    I wonder if all the Jews in Israel were convert to Islam, what will Palestine and the Muslims around the world will say or who will they want to exterminate!

  • Mboneni - 2012-01-22 22:24

    The lasting peace will come only when the palestinian population become united and recognise the legitimate state of israel,then starts peace talks aimed at two states living side by side

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