Maya Fisher-French talks the Money Makeover candidates about relationships and money. For Catherien this has been one of the key challenges, while newlywed Nono is glad that she and her partner are actively starting to have long-term money conversations.
The Money Makeover challenge for executive PA Catherien is getting her husband on to the same page when it comes to the family’s finances.
“My husband has a fluctuating income and he does not believe in budgeting. He believes it is impossible to budget if he doesn’t know what he will be earning that month. This causes extreme tension and puts so much pressure on me, because I believe in paying bills on time. I have taken on a second job and am trying to create various income streams. It is just all overwhelming for me.”
“I am tired of being the nagging wife, but I know that if we are on the same money page, we will do well,” wrote Catherien in her Money Makeover application.
Due to the erratic nature of his income, Jan survives by juggling the payments on three credit cards, which was putting the family under strain. What was clear from our discussions with Jan was that he had a fatalistic attitude towards money, with a sense that this was not something he could control.
Catherien has a very different personality type and believes that, with planning and focus, the couple could succeed financially.
In situations where a couple finds it difficult to talk about money, having a third person, such as a financial planner, enter the conversation can be a powerful tool. Just by understanding the couple’s perspectives and putting together a plan that they could both relate to, their relationship has changed.
“Talking about money used to be this heavy thing, now we can even laugh about it,” says Catherien after just three months of the Money Makeover Challenge.
While the couple are still facing challenges both financially and due to their eldest son’s serious illness, they have found a way to connect and talk to each other.
The first step was for the couple to complete a money questionnaire. This gave them insights into their own and each other’s money personalities and beliefs, and what had formed their money views. Understanding your spouse’s money perspective provides a context in which to have those money discussions.
Catherien realised that Jan’s family had never spoken about money and never taught him anything about budgeting or managing finances; they just gave him money when he needed it. She was raised very differently and had the importance of saving and budgeting drilled into her. She worries about not having enough control, which can also create financial stress in a marriage.
In their discussions, Catherien expressed her frustration that Jan would just go and buy groceries without paying attention to the budget, but Jan felt that Catherien’s budget was unrealistic.
When Absa financial adviser Riette Visser discussed this with the couple, it was clear that the family could not survive on the grocery budget Catherien was holding them to, and a compromise was found. This compromise and being able to discuss these issues with an open mind and without judgement allowed the couple to start trusting each other to talk about money. While Catherien had to accept a more realistic budget, Jan had to accept that he could not work with credit cards.
Being able to spend money he does not have is a challenge for someone who finds sticking to a budget difficult. He has agreed to close two of the credit cards and Catherien will keep the third one, with a low credit limit, for safe-keeping.
Honeymoon phase and money
Being able to speak to each other about money can bring great strength to a marriage. Newlywed Nono found that, even in the honeymoon phase of their relationship, undergoing the Money Makeover journey has brought the couple closer.
Although money and finances had formed part of their pre-marriage course, now they are having conversations about reality. Especially when Nono discovered that she was pregnant.
“Money Makeover forced us to have real conversations about money we didn’t even know we needed to have. Now we have conversations about investments, our future and planning for our child. What has been most important for me is that we budget together so we know exactly where our money is going.
"We have even started a piggy bank for nappies!” Nono says, adding that they are also supporting each other to pay off debt and preparing themselves so that even if one of them lost their job, they would still be able to run their small business and survive.
“I am so excited about this new part of the relationship; we can have a conversation about anything. More than anything, it is the teamwork.”
Even if it’s hard, you must talk about it.
Money is a highly emotional topic, and it is cited as the number one reason for divorce for good reason.
So, having a relationship in which you can speak openly about money is very important, but it is not that easy, and it all stems from understanding your own “triggers” and emotions around money.
- Get into the habit of talking about money regularly, not just when there is a crisis. Have a monthly appointment with your partner during which you discuss money. Make it at a regular time and place, and make sure it is always in your diary.
- Find a place to meet that is your “money” place. It must not be in your home, but somewhere neutral, like a coffee shop (depending on lockdown restrictions).
- At your monthly meeting, discuss your monthly budget and make your financial plans. Discuss your financial goals and how you will reach them. This is also the time to discuss money issues – like overspending on a credit card, for example.
- During the rest of the month you do not discuss money, especially if you are feeling emotional about it. Have a “to discuss” box in the house where you can put notes on what you want to discuss, like that credit card bill that nearly gave you a heart attack. Leave your money issues for your monthly appointment.
- When you do talk about money with your partner, you need to realise that you are not talking about spreadsheets and numbers – it is about emotion.
So, if you start to feel emotional, or your partner gets emotional during a money discussion, stop the conversation and say: “What is this really about? How are you feeling about this?”
- When talking about money, have a “no shame, no blame” rule. Your partner will not want to talk about money if they feel “blamed”. Discuss the problem and a way to resolve it together.
- Talk about what matters to you about money.
These are some questions to discuss with your partner:
- What role does money play in your life?
- What needs to happen in the next few years for you to feel like you are making good progress?
- What money mistakes have you made in the past that you want to avoid in the future?