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29 September 17:37

That concludes the questions and the business of the day. The House is adjourned.

29 September 17:37

Ramaphosa says he is not "the type of person that would abuse my power".

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:36

"I don't believe I abused my power, because, I am surrounded by police officials. When I informed the General, I was informing a police official. I want to dispute that I abused my power," says Ramaphosa. 

- Jan Gerber

29 September 17:32

EFF leader Julius Malema asks which procedure he was using by reporting the crime to Rhoode. "What made you think you are so special that you can report a crime to a General?" You see yourself above, and that is why you report crimes to a General, not a charge office."

He says Ramaphosa must admit he abused his power.

- Jan Gerber

29 September 17:30

"In my own conclusion, there hasn't been a conflict of interest in the manner you have been talking about," says Ramaphosa. "No, there hasn't been a conflict of interest." He adds that the police are looking into it.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:29

"I honestly believe this is not a situation where I have exposed myself to a conflict of interest," says Ramaphosa.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:29

Steenhuisen says there mustn't be a conflict between his official and private interests. He says it was a conflict reporting it to Rhoode - head of his protection services.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:27

Mapisa-Nqakula asks the EFF to stop calling Radebe by his haircut. "Yes, he has done a German cut, but his name is not German cut, he is honourable member," says Mapisa-Nqakula.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:26

"I have not held back on this, and that's what I believe is good for governance, it is good for accountability as well," says Ramaphosa.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:26

Ramaphosa says 8 institutions are "processing this matter and conducting thorough investigations".

"I have been cooperating," he says. He provided answers when asked. "I cannot fault the manner in which they have been raising questions," Ramaphosa says.

"I cannot say there has been any bias against me."

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:24

Joemat-Pettersson asks Ramaphosa to update the house on his interactions with the agencies investigating him without compromising the investigations.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:23

"You have 45 minutes and you have already taken 10-15 minutes!" says Mapisa-Nqakula.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:22

She is heckled by opposition MPs and ANC house whip Bheki Radebe objects. Mkhaliphi asks for protection from "German cut", what the EFF has called Radebe since the Fifth Parliament.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:21

ANC MP Tina Joemat-Pettersson says the question Ramaphosa is asked is "outdated and not that relevant". She says they welcome Ramaphosa's commitment to cooperate with investigation. "You have accepted due process, and accountability," she says.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:19

"I have declared, as I said, my farming activities," says Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa says some properties that he owns have also been disclosed.

He says the intention was to set up a blind trust, but he didn't intend to be involved in any other activity than the farming, so the trust wasn't set up.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:18

Ramaphosa says soon after the theft happened he was informed of it by his manager, and while travelling to Addis he informed Wally Rhoode, the head of his protection services.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:17

EFF MP Hlengiwe Mkhaliphi says she must leave Zungula to ask the question the way it satisfies him. She also complains that the "incoming president of South Africa, Julius Malema" is muted.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:16

ATM leader Vuyolwethu Zungula says Ramaphosa stated he handed over his business interests over to a blind trust. He asks if this is the case, why did Ramaphosa report the case to the head of his protection unit.

"Second question, why do you have such intricate details..." Mapisa-Nqakula says he may not ask more than one question. Zungula says it is one question. He asks why Ramaphosa had intricate details of the theft at Phala Phala and asks Ramaphosa his business interests. ANC deputy chief whip Doris Dlakude said they must stick to the rules and not allow members to ask three questions.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:12

The first MP to pose a supplementary question is ATM MP Vuyolwethu Zungula.

- Jason Felix 

29 September 17:10

This concludes the questions for 29 September, the attention will now turn to supplementary questions that weren't answered on 30 August. Mapisa-Nqakula says it is not up to her to prescribe how the president answer questions.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:10

Ramaphosa is preparing to respond to the Phala Phala matter.

- Jason Felix 

29 September 17:09

Ramaphosa says the good thing about the commission was that it was open and transparent. He says the deadline to submit his plan to Parliament is 22 October, not the 15th as previously stated.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:08

He says the state capture commission has been a defining moment, and the political will is to move away from state capture and that is why they will implement the recommendations. He says there will be some recommendations that they will not implement within a specific timeframe. But they will give reasons why they are not able to do so.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:06

Ramaphosa says he is glad Groenewald reads his affidavits. "What is set out in the affidavit is the law."

He says the law says a president may or may not implement the recommendations.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:05

FF Plus leader Pieter Groenewald says Ramaphosa in an affidavit in the cadre deployment case, said he is not obliged to implement all recommendation. "So my follow-up is, will you implement all recommendations?"

- Jan Gerber

29 September 17:05

Ramaphosa says the Commission needs to get condonation from court because it submitted the report late, and they should also correct some errors. He says if there is a change, they will alert Parliament and provide reasons.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:02

On meeting the deadline of 15 October, Ramaphosa says: "Uh, the desire is that we should."

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 17:00

Ramaphosa: "Is there political will to implement the Zondo Commission recommendations? Yes, there is political will."

He says this will be shown when the plan comes to Parliament.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:59

IFP MP Mkhuleko Hlengwa says given the fact that the implementation plan is due on 15 October, it should mean he is close to finalising it.

Hlengwa asks if there is a political will to implement the recommendations.

- Jan Gerber

29 September 16:58

Ramaphosa, chuckling, says there is an independent panel that will look into Phala Phala, so Parliament is playing a role. "So it is not really a change of mind," he says.

"I believe this process is now underway, it is one process that should be followed. It does not make me uncomfortable because it affects me or the shoe is on my foot."

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:55

Steenhuisen says Ramaphosa, when pressed at the Zondo commission, conceded that Parliament should investigate serious matters even when the police are investigating. He says the ANC blocked the establishment of an ad hoc committee.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:54

29 September 16:53

"I take it, there will be cost requirements," says Ramaphosa.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:52

Ramaphosa says he agrees that they should all budget for the implementation of the recommendations. He says Parliament will need to address the issue.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:51

Maake says the Zondo Commission's recommendations covers a lot of areas. He asks if it wouldn't be ideal to compel each institution mentioned to budget for implementing the recommendations. He asks how the president intends to coordinate the whole process.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:49

He says the perpetrators of state capture should face consequences and that there are reforms to prevent it from happening in the future.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:48

He says a variety of state institutions are already implementing some the recommendations. Ramaphosa says the implementation plan he will submit to Parliament will outline these interventions.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:48

Ramaphosa says he amended the regulations of the commission to allow it to share documents with law enforcement agencies. As a result, many of the recommendations for prosecutions are already receiving attention.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:47

Ramaphosa says he will respond to the report within the court stipulated timeframe.

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:47

The final question is by ANC MP Jerome Maake: Whether the Government will prioritise any of the recommendations made by the Chairperson of the State Capture Commission, Chief Justice R M M Zondo, for immediate implementation?

- Jan Gerber 

29 September 16:41

EFF MP Hlengiwe Mkhaliphi asked who the president would blame for his "failure" to turn PRASA around by the end of his first term. Ramaphosa said the process to rebuild PRASA was underway, and those who "brought PRASA to its knees" would be held accountable.

- Khulekani Magubane 

29 September 16:39

Steenhuisen asked if Ramaphosa would heed the DA's call for the monitoring of the network to rest with provincial and local government. Ramaphosa said while law enforcement should be involved, "it must be seen as an all-inclusive process" without silos.

- Khulekani Magubane 

29 September 16:35

DA leader John Steenhuisen said the Criminal Procedures Amendment Act already allows for harsh sentences. He said it was the government and law enforcement's job to crack down on the syndicates.

- Khulekani Magubane 

29 September 16:33

29 September 16:32

Mangcu asked Ramaphosa when the required legislative updates will be in place. Ramaphosa said the six-month ban should have a freezing effect on vandalism, as the legislation will be finalised "shortly".

- Khulekani Magubane 

29 September 16:29

He said the Critical Infrastructure Protection Act needs to be operationalised and the Criminal Procedures Act updates allow for harsher sanctions against those who steal, vandalise and destroy public infrastructure.

- Khulekani Magubane 

29 September 16:27

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29 September 16:25

Ramaphosa said the national rail network does not meet the requirement to be classified as a national key point and cannot be defined as such.

- Khulekani Magubane 

29 September 16:23

Ramaphosa said the protection of South Africa's rail infrastructure was vital to the economy and that the government was working hard with stakeholders to stop the vandalism and theft.

- Khulekani Magubane 

29 September 16:23

Up next, ANC MP Nkosinathi Mangcu asked President Ramaphosa whether the rail infrastructure of SA should be declared a national key point so that its theft and destruction can be classified as economic sabotage with stiffer legal sanctions.

- Khulekani Magubane 

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