Talking about the infamous 2015 Proteas tour to India induces incongruous emotion in Khaya Zondo.
He smiles and chuckles as he recalls shedding a tear in the shower before testifying at the Social Justice and Nation-Building (SJN) hearings, where he spoke publicly about the incident for the first time last year.
Many of us laugh (sometimes uncontrollably in extreme cases known as the pseudobulbar affect) or smile as a defence mechanism to mask trauma, humiliation or anxiety.